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Any radio hams or AV techs in LUV?
by Carl Turney 04 May '12

04 May '12

Hi All, My apologies if this is too off-topic. Just back after 5 years overseas, and new to the whole Freeview Australia phenomenon. Wondering if any LUV members are also ham radio enthusiasts, or well into audio-visual issues? I'd like to chat off-list about such things as endorsed vs unendorsed set top boxes, satellite rather than terrestrial receivers, limitations on saving broadcasts, transferring data to (Linux) computers, receiving other channels from the same (or other) satellites (e.g. Al Jazeera, BBC). Thank you, Carl Turney Mobile 0427 024 735

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Re: [luv-talk] Slavery vs Marriage Equality
by Russell Coker 02 May '12

02 May '12

On Tue, 1 May 2012, Michael Scott <luv(a)inoz.net> wrote: > Did you see any of the parts of the Bible which quote Jesus saying that the > Pharisees, in their use of the "law of Moses" were wrong? > > The Bible wasn't pro-slavery... it simply said that slaves should respect > their masters. It also said that the people who are least will be the > greatest in the kingdom of heaven... as an extension of that. It portrayed > Jesus as a servant. Slavery was a fact in first century Israel. In Australia I think that all churches would support every slave who testifies against their owner in court. I think that a reasonable interpretation of our laws regarding self-defense would also allow a slave to kill their owner in order to escape. The majority of Australia's population declare themselves to be Christian, that means most police, most judges, and most members of juries. None of them seem to think that slaves should respect their owners. Advocating that slaves respect their owners IS advocating slavery. > Russell, if you want to come out and quote articles, and tell people that > they "don't understand Christianity" as you told me, maybe you should do > some reading yourself, and understand what you are talking about. You proved Dan Savage's point. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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Slavery vs Marriage Equality
by Russell Coker 02 May '12

02 May '12

http://www.care2.com/causes/dan-savage-says-bible-is-pro-slavery-right-goes- ballistic.html Interesting article about Dan Savage's talk about how most people have been ignoring the pro-slavery pats of the Bible for 50+ years so there's no reason to pay attention to the anti-gay parts. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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Re: [luv-talk] ZaTab from ZaReason - a fully open Android tablet
by Tim Connors 01 May '12

01 May '12

On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Jason White wrote: > Much Linux software is keyboard intensive, as is the act of writing (whether > it be text or code). Devices need to continue to be available that can > effectively support work that goes beyond point-and-select or typing short > messages into an on-screen keyboard. I have a smartphone. It's new and shiny, and I have no idea what to do with it. What problem is it trying to solve? I also don't get twitter. Is twitter still limited to 140chars despite everyone having smartphones that really really ought not be limited by silly SMS constraints, because it's too bloody difficult to type into those silly little onscreen keyboards? Bah, humbug. -- Tim Connors

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Wikipedia, volunteer, drug law reform
by Carl Turney 01 May '12

01 May '12

Hi All, Lev suggested I post this request in this Talk mailing list... Have you authored any Wikipedia pages from scratch, or edited a number of Wikipedia pages, regardless of the subject? Do you think that the War On Drugs is wrong, and that prohibition causes more problems than it solves? Are you willing to volunteer a bit of your time to help out =responsible=and=respectable= Australian drug law reform organisations that don't yet have a Wikipedia entry? (e.g. Groups for parliamentarians, doctors, law enforcement professionals, scientific researchers, and family & friends of users.) If yes, please contact me directly, off-list to find out more. If not, please forward this on to someone you know who may be suitable. We can limit it to one page/group per volunteer, if you are short on time. NOTE: BEING WILLING TO HELP THESE GROUPS OUT IN NO WAY STATES THAT YOU ARE (OR HAVE BEEN) A RECREATIONAL DRUG USER YOURSELF. Thanks =very= much, Carl Turney Bottom-line Ownership and Management Services www.boms.com.au Belgrave, Melbourne Home: (shared with others) 9752 5420 Mobile: 0427 024 735 Email: carl(a)boms.com.au

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persecuted Atheists
by Russell Coker 30 Apr '12

30 Apr '12

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2239780-4d4e-11e1-8741-00144feabdc0.html Interesting article published by the Financial Times about the persecution of Atheists in the US. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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Re: [luv-talk] ZaTab from ZaReason - a fully open Android tablet
by Jason White 30 Apr '12

30 Apr '12

Sam Varghese <sam(a)gnubies.com> wrote: > My bid to buy one was rejected twice because of the same issue - even though the > address on my credit card (Mastercard) and my shipping address are identical in > all respects. > > When I tried with a VISA card, there was no such problem and the order was accepted. In my case the problem was with a VISA card, but a different organization was involved (it had nothing to do with Linux or tablets). However, the verification mechanism was probably the same.

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Re: [luv-talk] ZaTab from ZaReason - a fully open Android tablet
by Jason White 30 Apr '12

30 Apr '12

Craig Sanders <cas(a)taz.net.au> wrote: > probably because if they get scammed by some scumbag using someone > else's credit card, they wear the expense of the CC chargeback. credit > card companies and paypal etc screw the merchants. One solution, implemented by a U.S.-based organization from which I purchase services, is to use the Address Verification System to check the address supplied by the customer against that of the credit card holder. Unfortunately, my bank doesn't seem to support address verification, and since the organization in question required it, the transaction failed. In the end, they had to intervene manually to allow it. Are there legal reasons why Australian banks don't support address verification, and is there any option to enable it at the request of the customer?

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Optus 3G charges while using wifi at home.
by Jason Lade 30 Apr '12

30 Apr '12

I gave an old handset to my daughter to use for emergencies i.e. text or calls to my wife or I. It was using a pre-paid optus card that allows us to keep credit for up to like 6 or 12 months (I actually forget but quite a while) We recently recharged the thing, thinking that the last lot of credit went quite quick. But from the 10th to the 23rd of April she went through nearly $30 of credit over that period with a handful of text messages $0.29 each (not complaining about that) but most of the charges were short bursts of Internet access. Now admittedly she does use internet at home we have wifi and it connects to our wireless modem router. But anyway she told me today the credit is nearly out, so we logged on to have a look and noticed she is getting Internetbrowsing and socialnwk charges of $1.32 a pop. Today alone she had 4 of them so I could be certain it was wifi. Now what really blows me away is that I realised these charges today were happening while she was at home using wifi. So I spoke with an optus representative online via text, here is some of the text that I copied from the conversation, please note it isn't the full conversation as personal details were required. Anil: Thanks. Anil: I see there were a lot of Internet browsing done on the account. you: All charges are for the same amount $1.32 duration 00:00:00 Anil: Yes that is $1.32 per 1MB of data used. you: But this is only done while at our home address, which when here it is connected to wifi Anil: I am sorry to inform you the wifi is only used when you have the Internet turned off on the account. Anil: Now I can turn the Internet on my system so she can only use wifi. you: But the phone is not showing up 3G, it is saying it is connected to wifi you: She doesn't want to use internet through the optus network, just emergency calls and sms Anil: I am sorry as the Internet is active in our system even though she is using wifi she gets charged to optus. Anil: Do you want me to turn her Internet off through optus? you: Yes that would be good! Anil: Just one moment. Anil: Thanks for waiting. you: So you are saying that if the phone is connected to wifi, we are still getting charged on optus Anil: I have turned your daughters Internet off on my system, so she wont get charged next time. Anil: And the answer to your question is Yes. you: if we browse the internet? But I can tell a big difference in speed if I turn off wifi and let my phone use 3G while at home. Anil: I know but it is also charged on optus. Anil: But now you dont have to worry about that as I turned the Internet off. you: That just seems unbelievable to me. My account i wouldn't notice it as I have a capped account. you: O.k. Thanks. Anil: Have I covered everything for you today? you: You have but I just can't believe that if the phone is connected to wifi that optus charge for internet that is coming through a network other than optus Anil: I know but that is why customers need to be aware of this. Anil: I am sorry for you inconvenience. Anil: Is there anything else I can help you with today? you: I don't remember getting any information in regards to this when I joined up. you: I need to further investigate this as I feel it isn't honest. Anil: I agree, but cant do anything, I am sorry once again. Anil: Do you assistance with anything else? you: No that is all. Thanks Anil: ^_^ Anil: Your most welcome. Anil: It was a pleasure chatting with you. Anil: Have a Good Evening. Anil: Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Anil: Thanks for using Optus Live Chat. We value your feedback, so if you have a moment, please click the End Chat button at top right to answer a few questions about your experience with us today. Now can you believe what she is saying, I can be using my home wifi and still accruing data charges from optus for data that they are not supplying. Is anyone able to give me any valid reasons for this. I know that if I'm using 3G at home it is quite slow. But when I connect to my wifi router I get much faster speeds so I just can't understand it. She stated that she feels it isn't right being charged for something that I'm not using. Has anyone seemed to have had this problem? I got her to turn off internet usage from the account. But it would be nice to be able to use the internet if needed when we are out.

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Re: [luv-talk] persecuted Atheists
by Tony Langdon 30 Apr '12

30 Apr '12

At 01:06 AM 4/30/2012, David wrote: >was from and who I was staying with, it was the first thing they asked >me. "So, what church are you with". Honestly, patricarchal sky-fairies Oh, that's an easy one for me, the Church of the Big Red Truck. ;) Most Sunday mornings I'm with the CFA training. On a more serious note, and another data point. I visited the US in 2005, including Texas, no one asked about my religion. Even on a Sunday morning in Nacogdoches, in the east of Texas, the topic didn't come up. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com

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