luv-talk March 2012

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Re: [luv-talk] Any practical way to improve glacial page downloads?

by Tim Connors

On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, Toby Corkindale wrote: > On 23/03/12 11:19, Tim Connors wrote: > > (I was just looking at smart phone prepaid plans. None are suitable for > > me. I want to pay less than $20 per month, which I can do with a non > > smartphone by virtue of having some credit that can last 365 days, as long > > as I don't use it. Which I don't. Very few providers seem to realise > > that not everyone wants to talk and text on their phone all day every day. > > Sometimes we only want something for emergencies because we're unsociable > > bastards). > > I pay $10 a month (post-paid) and get 1500 MB of data (excluding social > media, which is free) and more calls and SMS than I use if I try! (I > think around 2000 SMS?) > > The options are out there. Back to Luv-talk. Who's that with? I haven't found/deciphered any such plans like that. -- Tim Connors

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Re: [luv-talk] Gay marriage is traditional

by Russell Coker

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Michael Scott <mds(a)inoz.net> wrote: > Russell, please at least be honest with your posts. The "member of this > list" didn't try to "convince" you of anything. Just asked you to read a > book which I have read. Pretty much the same as your asking me to read YOUR > "propaganda". The difference of course is that I cited web pages which can be freely read with a single mouse click. While you are implicitely requesting that I donate money to an organisation I oppose to read their propaganda. Now if they were to make a free ebook of it for download in PDF then I might even read a couple of pages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_marriage#Ancient Your claim that no church in history has ever permitted Gay marriage, but there is lots of evidence. In general claiming that something has never been done in human history is one of those extraordinary claims which requires extraordinary evidence - not just some hand-waving. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing_of_same-sex_unions_in_Christian_churc… Even aside from that, the fact that so many modern churches are blessing Gay marriages and civil unions (in the case where the church accepts Gay relationships but the state doesn't) makes it quite implausible that all the different churches over the period from ~50 to ~1900 have had unanimous agreement on this issue in spite of having no real contact with each other. > The first article mentions a rape victim and says that she "must marry the > rapist", when in fact Deuteronomy says the rapist must marry the victim. I > can't comment on the culture of the time....thousands of years BC.... about > the status of women. It's easy to believe everything you read, especially > if it says what you want it to say. http://www.care2.com/causes/a-woman-should-not-have-to-marry-her-rapist.html We don't need to discuss "thousands of years BC" when such things are happening today. The above article describes the situation and explains why the victim isn't legally compelled to marry her rapist, but social pressure from her family forces her to. > Even examples of people in the church participating in gay sex doesn't mean > The Church accepts it. It just means that no-one is perfect. The people who oppose gay marriage seem to be less perfect than most judging by the weird stuff the conversion therapy people do. > You said to me that I don't understand Christianity. You have shown that > YOU have NO understanding of Christianity. Christians are not perfect. What > Christians have is a faith. Not a perfection. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/jn/good_list.html Christians are not supposed to be judgmental, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1cor/13.html Christians are supposed to have charity, "and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing". Now if Christians were to demonstrate those qualities when it comes to the debate about what the secular laws should be regarding marriage then we wouldn't be having an argument. > In that faith I don't hold any "dislike" for gays/lesbians. As I said to > you, I have many gay/lesbian friends. But you refused to believe me in > that. I offered to give their details to you, but you ignored that and said > "they all say that". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_marriage#Health_issues If they are such good friends then why are you acting in a way that has a negative impact on their health? Surely you would want your friends to have all the health and financial benefits that derive from being married. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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Gay marriage is traditional

by Russell Coker

http://www.care2.com/causes/the-forgotten-history-of-gay-marriage.html It's interesting to note that the church used to accept Gay marriage. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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small b-bastardry of the legal kind

by Tim Connors

When big companies see their overpriced hardware threatened by the fact that they can be replaced with $2 apps: http://niederfamily.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/goliath-v-david-aac-style.html -- Tim Connors

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Petition for the United States to Redress Wrongs Committed Against the Chagos Islanders:

by dan062

Sign the Petition for the United States to Redress Wrongs Committed Against the Chagos Islanders: http://wh.gov/Xbb Thanks Daniel. ---------------------------------------- Daniel Jitnah Melbourne, Australia e: djitnah(a)greenwareit.com.au w: www.greenwareit.com.au SIP: dj-git(a)ekiga.net ----------------------------------------

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Re: [luv-talk] Any practical way to improve glacial page downloads?

by Trent W. Buck

Tim Connors wrote: > (I was just looking at smart phone prepaid plans. None are suitable > for me. I want to pay less than $20 per month, which I can do with > a non smartphone by virtue of having some credit that can last 365 > days, as long as I don't use it. Which I don't. Very few providers > seem to realise that not everyone wants to talk and text on their > phone all day every day. Sometimes we only want something for > emergencies because we're unsociable bastards). Already got a pager? ;-) (Hmm, since pagers are now a niche market for emergency services like SES and sysadmins, they're probably MORE expensive...)

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[Fwd: Humanity+ - Future Science and Technology - 5-6 May 2012 - Melbourne]

by lev.lafayette＠isocracy.org

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cheap tailor wanted

by Russell Coker

I'm looking for a cheap tailor that can do uncommon clothes items. IE things like SuitJamas wouldn't be a big deal for them. Ideally it would be a company based somewhere with cheap wages (EG India, China, or Vietnam) where I could send measurements and a description via email. To avoid misunderstanding it would be good if they understood standard Australian sizes, so I could just specify the sizes used for off the rack clothes in Australian stores with the desired color and fabric. There are a bunch of tailors based in other countries that have web sites where you can specify the measurements for basic items such as suits and business shirts. But when the site first asks for a radio button selection for which item of standard business clothing is to be made it seems unlikely that they will do what I want. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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light for reading in bed

by Russell Coker

Does anyone know of a light with a timed dimmer so it will slowly turn off automatically? If reading in bed a light that suddenly turns off after you have fallen asleep can wake you. So a light that will slowly dim and go out would be a good option for reading in bed late at night. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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[Fwd: [Melbourne-pm] Perl-related talk at YOW! Nights next week]

by lev＠levlafayette.com

---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl-related talk at YOW! Nights next week From: "Damian Conway" <damian(a)conway.org> Date: Thu, March 15, 2012 7:22 am To: "melbourne-pm" <melbourne-pm(a)pm.org> sydney-pm(a)pm.org brisbane-pm(a)pm.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear fellow Mongers, Just a heads up that I will be giving my infamous "Fun With Dead Languages" <http://damian.conway.org/Seminars/DeadLanguages.html> talk in Melbourne, Sydney, and Brisbane next week. Even though the blurb specifically says I won't be talking about Perl, I think we all know that's merely a "pedagogical facilitation" (i.e. a lie), mainly designed to lull unsuspecting Java and C# programmers. The details are: Date: Monday 19 March Venue: Jasper Hotel, 489 Elizabeth Street, Melbourne Time: 5.30-7.30pm Link: https://ynmelmarchconway-eorg.eventbrite.com/ Date: Tuesday 20 March Venue: Shelbourne Hotel, 200 Sussex Street, Sydney Time: 5.30-7.30pm Link: https://ynsydmarchconway-eorg.eventbrite.com/ Date: Wednesday 21 March Venue: Chifley at Lennons Hotel, 66 Queen Street Mall, Brisbane Time: 5.30-7.30pm Link: https://ynbrismarchconway-eorg.eventbrite.com/ If you'd like to come along, there's a $10 registration fee, which covers some high quality food and drink beforehand. You can register via the above links. The actual talking starts at 6pm each night. Hope to see some of you there, Damian _______________________________________________ Melbourne-pm mailing list Melbourne-pm(a)pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm

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