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Honestly, I dont think its worth your effort trying to talk someone like the Burser to have Linux.
Can you by-pass him/her?
You really have to know who you are talking to... for some people its just not worth the effort.
There are many strategies and what works for one will not work for someone else.
Sometimes its just better to not tell them its Linux, set up the machine with Linux and it does the job - if its a
server they wont know Talk Open Source Software, Ubuntu etc...
Find someone who is likely to be willing to give Linux a try, can understand that Android = Linux (for the purpose of
the argument here!!) instead of said Burser to talk to.
Talk up application and systems like Scratch, Edubuntu etc ..
Talk security - NO virus
Show them the OpenCD
Assure them they dont have to give up Windows
Show them data that shows where Open Source software Linux is used very successfully: Top500 Supercomputers, Top
website (Alexa), NASA, etc .... : assuming here that they are willing to listen.
Tell them that Microsoft share of the Market is in decline and that MS soft share price is going down.
Tell them like it or not, people are using PC's less and less, and Microsoft has only a small share of mobile devices
(Tablet and smartphone) - ie: people will be using Windows much less, so getting to know another system is
Just some ideas.
On Mon, September 30, 2013 17:51, Peter Nunn wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> At the risk of starting a thread that runs for months, how do you overcome microsoft FUB in the education sector.
> I've just quoted a couple of machines for a local, not for profit, school up my way that were intended to run KVM and
> file services with Winblows servers on top of them "because they have to have windows").
> The Buresr, whom I do have some sympathy for, given the amount of crap he's been told, has made the decision that
> Linux is 'too risky', after consulting other bursers on some network of bursers (god knows) and being advised that
> "Linux is no good in an education environment, can't get staff, no-one uses it except a few 'out there risk takers'".
> Of course the M$ suppliers are pushing the same line.
> How the hell do you combat this bull shit?
> I have to say I'm amazed that a school with so little money is happy to throw it away to M$ (despite the heavy
> discounts they get for the licenses).
> luv-main mailing list
OKFNau == Open Knowledge Foundation Australia
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fiona Tweedie
Date: Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:13 AM
Subject: [@OKFNau] HealthHack Melbourne
Hello lovely Melbourne friends!
We've got an exciting event coming up at the end of October, a weekend
long hackathon bringing together medical researchers and people with
clever techy skills to tackle some real problems in health research.
Example problems include:
- I use multiple online data sets but I don't have a good way of
knowing when I have looked at all the available information. I'd like
an intuitive search panel that allows me to select exactly what I
need, and report back all the relevant results
- I generate vast quantities of data; I would like a visualisation
panel that lets me quickly and easily compare multiple data sets
against each other
- I regularly search for information about disease occurrence; I'd
like a tool that reports on aspects of previous research, e.g.
statistical significance, number of patients, number
Or you might just do an exploration of an interesting dataset without
a fixed goal. So if you are great at data visualisation, data
management or analytics (or have other great skills like data
journalism and can coax the story out of a dataset) we'd love to see
You can find some more details here:
http://au.okfn.org/2013/09/21/healthhack/, and register here:
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From: "Craig Sanders" <cas(a)taz.net.au>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:16:35AM +1000, Trent W. Buck wrote:
>> That reminds me of a story from the hospitality sector: smokers were
>> allowed regular smoking breaks, whereas non-smokers had to stay on
>> their feet and working continuously for an umpteen-hour shift.
>> The result of which was they all started smoking.
>> (I forget who told me this story, so it my be from another country.)
> sounds like the non-smoker's version of "damn refugees get free cars
> from the government" to me.
So we all become refugees to get free cars from the government?
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Russell Coker (russell(a)coker.com.au):
>> In regard to David's question, files with spaces cause needless pain, I'll
>> just rename them.
> It's also useful to darwinate
Googling "darwinate definition" found ;
-/Darwin ate/ chocolate cake *... and
-*autodarwinate - To cause one's own death in a spectacularly stupid
a ' moenism' ? :-|
regards Rohan McLeod
Russell Coker wrote:
> avconv -i foo.mkv -strict experimental -b:v 400k -c:v libx264 -b:a 80 -c:a
> libmp3lame -ac 1 -s 1280x720 foo-s3.mp4
> I'm experimenting with avconv settings to convert movie files for watching on
> a mobile phone.
Russel just out of idle curiosity why do you want to watch movies on a
mobile phone ?;
regards Rohan McLeod
trentbuck-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w(a)public.gmane.org (Trent W. Buck)
> "Pidgorny, Slav (GEUS)" writes:
>> So if I only use 4G wireless, why should I pay for your fiber-to-whereever connection?
> Perhaps for the same reason that you pay for other public goods --
> roads, hospitals, police, &c -- even if you don't use them.
> (I believe this was discussed at length either here or in -talk a couple
> of weeks ago.)
Sorry about that. IHBT before I read Lev's redirection downthread.
(Moving it to luv-talk)
From: "Slav Pidgorny (GEUS)" <slav.pidgorny(a)anz.com>
> Why? FTTN is thought to be cheaper.
Not true in a suburban area (most of Australia)
You need additional nodes with fibre/copper converters - they need to
be sheltered against any weather and need power - means additional
The only environment to make sense, economically, is an apartment
house where the infrastructure is there already (sheltered place and
Add to that re-negotiations with Telstra, new contracts etc. - we will
pay a lot more if it goes a liberal way and will get inferior services.
Most likely they will do it the old-fashioned Liberal way: Don't do
anything and stare at their AAA rating. Good if you want to borrow
money to invest. But why invest? We just dig holes until the economy
collapses. And then we blame the unions.
In the current media climate Liberal can claim everything.
Yesterday Naphtine: The elections was a vote for the East West link.
The East West link will be build in the electorate of Melbourne. 43%
of the primary votes for Green, 27% for Labor.
A vote for Dr.Napalm and his East West Link. Indeed.