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How do I get out of here?
by Shane Deering 25 Aug '13

25 Aug '13

After reading the emails about the end of LUV, I've decided I don't want to be a part of this any more. I logged onto the LUV site, but I can't find a button that says I don't want to be a member any more. How do I get out of being a LUV member? Shane.

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A few queries re Debian 7.1.0
by Mark Trickett 22 Aug '13

22 Aug '13

Hello all, I have managed to install Debian 7.1.0 on an Acer Travelmate 3230, even coping with the binary blobs during the install. It is generally working well, standalone, but now I am looking to sorting out and using now and then networked. First, I am finding the Gnome 3 series different, and not certain that I either appreciate or like. Any comments about making it behave more "traditionally" appreciated. I may need to remove a great deal and install a lighter desktop, the Notebook is maxed out with 1.5Gig of RAM. Next, comment appreciated about Net-Manager. As I expect to use it on varying networks, the way that it flexibly reconfigures is attractive in places, but I can also see a lot of merit in being able to just set manually for when I use on certain networks. If I do remove Net-Manager, I would appreciate comment about whether the one package is enough, or what else to purge. Some of the support tools may be useful to report when I manually configure, especially to WiFi. The other thing is that CUPS (V 1.5?) will not let me set up a printer at the moment. It searches for printers, and when it does not find any, will not let me install for later use via the administrative interface, either web browser or the printer icon. I am looking at the configuration files, and scratching my head and getting splinters at this stage, for manually editing to configure for the HP LJ 4+/4P that I have, and also a Canon LPB 5050N. When I did the install, I was visiting someone with ADSL, and the install well found the network connection, and even after for the package managers. I did not appreciate the behaviours from the Gnome variant, it did not necessarily apply the changes when I clicked on the button. I did manage to install Synaptic, and that was a lot better behaved, it is more mature software. If I know the package name, I am not averse to using apt in a terminal. I will need to poke around further as IceApe (FireFox) could not find the network while Synaptic had no problems. I am getting my head around which files, what goes in them, and how to modify, along with iptables and the like. The initial install left my user account without sudo access. I have rectified that so I have both full root access, and sudo. They give me ways of doing different things. For a single command that need not be run from a root login, sudo can be much better than an unguarded root login left sitting vulnerable, while some tasks are where I want full root login, at least at this time. Overall 7.1 is reasonably impressive, but I would still appreciate a lighter version. I am inclined to do a base install as a command line only box on something with perhaps a PIII or PII and 256 Mb of RAM, or even less. There are other distros, but there are reasons I am looking at Debian, primarily the apt toolset. Regards, Mark Trickett

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Re: [MLUG] Ubuntu forums -- hacked....
by Andrew McGlashan 19 Aug '13

19 Aug '13

Ubuntu forums is back, you now need to use Ubuntu's SSO [single sign on] service..... let's hope that is safe ;) Cheers A.

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Happy 20th birthday Debian!
by Aníbal Monsalve Salazar 16 Aug '13

16 Aug '13

Happy 20th birthday Debian! http://bits.debian.org/2013/08/20-birthday-debian.html

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Re: Grub failure, Debian 7.0.0 install
by zlinw＠mcmedia.com.au 16 Aug '13

16 Aug '13

Thanks for both of the replies! Craig Sanders said, >if the article is recommending dselect then it's years out of date. >it was good in its day, but it really wasn't designed to cope with >30,000+ packages - it just takes too long to make your selections. >IMO, the same applies to aptitude but the user-interface is a lot >easier, and the dependancy/conflict resolution works better. I prefer the way it works particularly on how it displays dependencies. I find uisng dselect and dpkg I can get exactly what I want, something I found impossible with aptitude. I do not use synaptic as last time a tried it it used the gnome libraries, and I do not have these on my system. I use the great and as yet unsurpassed fvwm for a window manager. >rather than select them manually, you can create a list of packages >to install and use 'dpkg --set-selection' to select them. 'apt-get >dist-upgrade' will then install them all. I have tried this I found it works OK copying an existing Debian version, ie say 6.0.6 to 6.0.6 but failed somehow between major versions 5.0 to 6.0. From memory it did no get all the packages due to name changes, one then had go through the system in fine detail to work out what was missing, as major debian version changes are rare the time taken to manually select packages is not an issue after all it only has to be done once no matter how many systems one has. Another __very__ important aspect is it allows one time to go through all the packages to see what neat new items have been included. in amongst those 30,000 odd packages there are some __real__ gems hidden. The phrase "One can't see the forest for the trees" pops to mind. Using Linux know for over 20 years, Lindsay

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Re: Grub failure, Debian 7.0.0 install
by zlinw＠mcmedia.com.au 14 Aug '13

14 Aug '13

Thanks for the replies, the post was in frustation that the install was not doing what I wished and then failed. Telling someelse of a problem clears ones perspective in a wonderfull fashion though. The artical point out by Daniel explains __everything__ relatively clearly. Just to explain I always install Debian the same way, in expert mode. initialy only the base packages are installed and the system rebooted (if possible, I have had failures before here). I have never used "task select"! The next step depends on if it is new version of debian, in that case individual packages are selected using "dselect" after setting "install-recomends"and "install-sugests" to false (in apt.conf). I have a standard (rather odd) setup with regards to selected packages, this step usually takes around 3 to 4 hours. If the install is of an existing debian version, the package selections are transfered after the base install from one of my other systems using the method described in the handbook. Using this an entire personalised install can be acheived in way under an hour. I will consider my next step, I will do another base package install of 7.0.0 and install lilo by hand, I may though have two goes as the procedure is trivial and see of I can find out what went wrong with grub, it was installed, the relevent files all existed in /boot. Lindsay

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Re: Grub failure, Debian 7.0.0 install
by zlinw＠mcmedia.com.au 13 Aug '13

13 Aug '13

Success!! Install worked OK on the text menu installing lilo, previous attempt was with the graphical menu, the only boot option with the graphical menu being grub the install of which failed. Did not try another graphical install attempt so have no idea where the problem lies. Lindsay

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Grub failure, Debian 7.0.0 install
by zlinw＠mcmedia.com.au 13 Aug '13

13 Aug '13

I have just tried an install with the DVD's kindly sent to me a little while back and on reboot after the install no boot loader is present although grub was selected. I have no experience with grub at all, lilo being my main stay. I may say I am very biased here I greatly dislike these so called "inteligent" programs with almost no config available, great when they work but a total pain as now as there appears to be no way to recover from the situation. I followed the screens on the install, it did not ask the id of the boot disk (as the lilo install does) and it certainly did not find it as the mbr still has the lilo 1st stage loader on it. Does the grub install work on debian 7.0.0...............help!!!!!!!! Is it possible to reinstall/install grub from the rescue prompt? How does one tell it which is the hard disk with the systems mbr on it? Just in case the system is a newish Gigabyte X79-UD5 mb, I have not set it up with the efi boot system (or whatever they call the new boot system). On the install the grub install did complain no efi partition was avaible, the previous debian/windows XP install using lilo did work OK, I assume grub should also work OK under the same circumstances. Lindsay

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Getting started with ZFS
by Colin Fee 10 Aug '13

10 Aug '13

Last night after some updates on my media server, one of the disks in a mirror set failed a SMART check and was kicked out (fortunately I have good backups). It's failing on the bad sector count but I haven't done a deeper analysis yet. However it's time to bite the bullet and do some upgrade work. I'm intending to replace all of the disks with larger ones to increase the storage size and when I do, use ZFS. The box is based around a Gigabyte GA-880GM-USB3 mobo, with an AMD Phenom II X6 1055T cpu and buckets of RAM and the OS on a 240Gb SSD. So I'm looking for a strategy re the implementation of ZFS. I can install up to 4 SATA disks onto the mobo (5 in total with one slot used by the SSD) -- Colin Fee tfeccles(a)gmail.com

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3D printing talk at LUV
by Lev Lafayette 08 Aug '13

08 Aug '13

Hi everyone, For those who were at the meeting on Tuesday night, a number of people took a couple of snapshots. If you could send me a copy (to me, not the list), it would be appreciated. Bernard, the speaker, would like to include them on a 'blog post. Thanks! -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GCertPM, MBA mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

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