September 2017 - luv-beginners

Re: [luv-beginners] Sending Bulk Mail - Own SMTP mail server on VPS vs 3rd Party Mail Service
by Wen Lin 24 Sep '17

24 Sep '17

Hi Arjen, Thanks for your info. I will check out this Binary Lane. BTW, I noticed a few of our LUV members have VPS hosted by Digital Ocean. They seem quite active in hosting various Linux related forums and tutorials. However, Digital Ocean is also American, but they do have DCs outside of US, e.g. Canada. Cheers, Wen On 23 Sep. 2017 5:00 pm, "Arjen Lentz" <arjen(a)lentz.com.au> wrote: Hi For our VPS hosting needs in Australia we use Binary Lane. They're Australian owned as well, which I regard as an advantage (also in legal terms). Stuff just works and their support has been very prompt and technically competent. Linode is very good and we've used them for years, but they are American and thus directly subject to US legal leverage. Even if you used a Linode DC in Japan or Singapore, ultimately it would be open to US legal frivolities. This may not be a consideration for some needs, but I'm just putting it out there. Data sovereignty is a thing. Regards, Arjen.

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Re: [luv-beginners] Sending Bulk Mail - Own SMTP mail server on VPS vs 3rd Party Mail Service
by Wen Lin 24 Sep '17

24 Sep '17

Hi Russell, On 23 Sep. 2017 4:45 pm, "Russell Coker" <russell(a)coker.com.au> wrote: On Saturday, 23 September 2017 4:56:54 AM AEST Wen Lin via luv-main wrote: > For VPS hosting service - I had looked at one hostwinds.com (Editor's > Choice of au.pcmag.com 2017) (~ US$ 14 / mth). Will check out others to > compare - basically I'm after a reasonably priced and reputable VPS web > hosting company. I would like to hear any recommendation, or any > first-hand experience dealing with any particular web hosting company - > which I'm sure many of LUV members certainly have. https://www.linode.com/pricing To just send out mail you don't need much from a hosting company. I've found Linode to be very good and they have services starting at $5 per month that will do what you want. 1G of RAM should be enough for sending mail. https://www.scaleway.com/ Scaleway starts at E2.99 per month and has 2G of RAM. > For domain name (.org.au) - About $48 for 2 years. Any reputable Domain > Registrar that you would recommend? I will check out the above 2 web hosting companies you had introduced. There are cheaper domains available, like .click. They already got a .org.au domain registered some time ago. So I just need to find out where they had registered it, and then help renew it when it's about to expire. BTW, I thought I could use whois to find out the expiry date of this domain, but I noticed that the registrars in Australia (for the .au) seem to hide this date from the world. Apparently in Australia, the only way to find out this info is to contact the registrar directly. Whereas for some of the non-".au" domains, I could see the registration expiry date being displayed. May be it's some sort of security measure in Australia. > "*What a commercial mailing list operator does, and which you cannot easily > replicate, is build and maintain a reputation as a responsible and > reputable source of bulk email. If you are not going to be getting into > that, perhaps you could benefit from getting help from a commercial mailer. > ... * Don't send spam and don't use an IP address from a spam-friendly ISP and you should be OK. Very true. > I also read somewhere which seemed to point to a 3rd option: Still use own > mail server, but direct the outbound mails to an external Mail Relay > service. What do you think? There's no point in that. Either run your own server or use an external company. Thanks Russell for your input and advice. Cheers, Wen -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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Sending Bulk Mail - Own SMTP mail server on VPS vs 3rd Party Mail Service
by Wen Lin 23 Sep '17

23 Sep '17

One of the associations I'm in (besides LUV) have been experiencing difficulties sending bulk emails to members on a monthly basis (for announcements, newsletters purposes). This is because when you are trying to send bulk emails via your free web mail account (in this case, GMail), there is a limit imposed by Google (or any other webmail service providers) on the number of email addresses we can mail out to, within a period of time - and this limit can get ever stricter as time goes by. So the whole mailout process becomes unmanageable after a while. While the Ctte is looking into various alternatives, including several of the 3rd party mail services / transactional mail services in the market, I am offering them another option: Setup a SMTP mail server (e.g. Postfix) on a VPS hosted by a web hosting company, and handle the whole bulk mailout ourselves. I am willing to help them setting up a VPS, hardening the Linux, installing & configuring all the mail software, etc, and then take care of the regular maintenance. For VPS hosting service - I had looked at one hostwinds.com (Editor's Choice of au.pcmag.com 2017) (~ US$ 14 / mth). Will check out others to compare - basically I'm after a reasonably priced and reputable VPS web hosting company. I would like to hear any recommendation, or any first-hand experience dealing with any particular web hosting company - which I'm sure many of LUV members certainly have. For domain name (.org.au) - About $48 for 2 years. Any reputable Domain Registrar that you would recommend? For SSL Certificate - I can install one from Let's Encrypt, which will be free. Any major cost/charges that I have missed? I also intend to follow all the bulk mail best practices, SPF/DKIM settings, MX records, security measures, email etiquette, etc, to make sure that our organisation normal notification/newsletter to our members, would not be treated as SPAM. The 3rd party mail service providers that I had found so far: MailChimp, MailJet, Amazon-SES, SendGrid, MailGun (and many others). Did lots of google searches, trying to compare (Advantages & Disadvantages) between managing own SMTP mail server and using 3rd party mail services. The results were mix and varied. I myself certainly have much more faith in opting for a self-managed mail server solution over the commercial mail service ones. Some of the advantages: - Have full control over most aspect of the mailing process. More flexible. Not constraint by the ever-changing rules imposed by 3rd party mail services. - Using all free & open source software - have all the freedom, and can tap into the large FOSS Community out there for various kinds of help and support. - Cost-wise, the mail server option is generally on the lower end of the price spectrum, as compared to many of the 3rd party mail services in the market. - No doubt the own mail server option would involve more work, more time to manage the whole thing - but I'm quite happy to take up this challenge, and to learn a lot from this hands-on experience. I would be delighted if any of you who are experienced in managing a linux-based mail server can kindly share with us some more real-life examples and hands-on experiences - so that I can gather more solid evidence & cases, hopefully to strengthen my case for a self-managed mail server solution. Some points that I had read somewhere that I would like to quote below to seek your comment: "*What a commercial mailing list operator does, and which you cannot easily replicate, is build and maintain a reputation as a responsible and reputable source of bulk email. If you are not going to be getting into that, perhaps you could benefit from getting help from a commercial mailer. ... * *Abuse handling, bounce handling etc are important to get right, but until you have significant experience, your reputation is going to remain zero, if not negative (which is a reasonable starting point for unknown domains in this day and age). A lot of the reputation-based stuff like SPF, DKIM etc will help only if you have a reputation to defend. On the other hand, it does send the right signals to somebody who is deciding on whether or not a sender is to be treated as reputable (or rather, their absence is not a good sign; neither, in my book, is anything to suggest you are using homegrown and/or prerelease software to send email). *..." I also read somewhere which seemed to point to a 3rd option: Still use own mail server, but direct the outbound mails to an external Mail Relay service. What do you think? When this whole project (if accepted by my Ctte) is done and implemented successfully, I intend to share my experience in this whole process, in one of LUV talks. In the mean time, I have a lot of work to do, and lots to learn ... Cheers, Wen

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