Thanks for your info.
I will check out this Binary Lane. BTW, I noticed a few of our LUV members
have VPS hosted by Digital Ocean. They seem quite active in hosting various
Linux related forums and tutorials. However, Digital Ocean is also
American, but they do have DCs outside of US, e.g. Canada.
On 23 Sep. 2017 5:00 pm, "Arjen Lentz" <arjen(a)lentz.com.au> wrote:
For our VPS hosting needs in Australia we use Binary Lane. They're
Australian owned as well, which I regard as an advantage (also in legal
Stuff just works and their support has been very prompt and technically
Linode is very good and we've used them for years, but they are American
and thus directly subject to US legal leverage. Even if you used a Linode
DC in Japan or Singapore, ultimately it would be open to US legal
This may not be a consideration for some needs, but I'm just putting it out
Data sovereignty is a thing.
On 23 Sep. 2017 4:45 pm, "Russell Coker" <russell(a)coker.com.au> wrote:
On Saturday, 23 September 2017 4:56:54 AM AEST Wen Lin via luv-main wrote:
> For VPS hosting service - I had looked at one hostwinds.com (Editor's
> Choice of au.pcmag.com 2017) (~ US$ 14 / mth). Will check out others to
> compare - basically I'm after a reasonably priced and reputable VPS web
> hosting company. I would like to hear any recommendation, or any
> first-hand experience dealing with any particular web hosting company -
> which I'm sure many of LUV members certainly have.
To just send out mail you don't need much from a hosting company. I've
Linode to be very good and they have services starting at $5 per month that
will do what you want. 1G of RAM should be enough for sending mail.
Scaleway starts at E2.99 per month and has 2G of RAM.
> For domain name (.org.au) - About $48 for 2 years. Any reputable Domain
> Registrar that you would recommend?
I will check out the above 2 web hosting companies you had introduced.
There are cheaper domains available, like .click.
They already got a .org.au domain registered some time ago. So I just need
to find out where they had registered it, and then help renew it when it's
about to expire.
BTW, I thought I could use whois to find out the expiry date of this
domain, but I noticed that the registrars in Australia (for the .au) seem
to hide this date from the world. Apparently in Australia, the only way to
find out this info is to contact the registrar directly. Whereas for some
of the non-".au" domains, I could see the registration expiry date being
displayed. May be it's some sort of security measure in Australia.
> "*What a commercial mailing list operator does, and which you cannot
> replicate, is build and maintain a reputation as a responsible and
> reputable source of bulk email. If you are not going to be getting into
> that, perhaps you could benefit from getting help from a commercial
> ... *
Don't send spam and don't use an IP address from a spam-friendly ISP and you
should be OK.
> I also read somewhere which seemed to point to a 3rd option: Still use
> mail server, but direct the outbound mails to an external Mail Relay
> service. What do you think?
There's no point in that. Either run your own server or use an external
Thanks Russell for your input and advice.
My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/
My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
One of the associations I'm in (besides LUV) have been experiencing
difficulties sending bulk emails to members on a monthly basis (for
announcements, newsletters purposes). This is because when you are trying
to send bulk emails via your free web mail account (in this case, GMail),
there is a limit imposed by Google (or any other webmail service providers)
on the number of email addresses we can mail out to, within a period of
time - and this limit can get ever stricter as time goes by. So the whole
mailout process becomes unmanageable after a while.
While the Ctte is looking into various alternatives, including several of
the 3rd party mail services / transactional mail services in the market, I
am offering them another option: Setup a SMTP mail server (e.g. Postfix)
on a VPS hosted by a web hosting company, and handle the whole bulk mailout
ourselves. I am willing to help them setting up a VPS, hardening the
Linux, installing & configuring all the mail software, etc, and then take
care of the regular maintenance.
For VPS hosting service - I had looked at one hostwinds.com (Editor's
Choice of au.pcmag.com 2017) (~ US$ 14 / mth). Will check out others to
compare - basically I'm after a reasonably priced and reputable VPS web
hosting company. I would like to hear any recommendation, or any
first-hand experience dealing with any particular web hosting company -
which I'm sure many of LUV members certainly have.
For domain name (.org.au) - About $48 for 2 years. Any reputable Domain
Registrar that you would recommend?
For SSL Certificate - I can install one from Let's Encrypt, which will be
Any major cost/charges that I have missed?
I also intend to follow all the bulk mail best practices, SPF/DKIM
settings, MX records, security measures, email etiquette, etc, to make sure
that our organisation normal notification/newsletter to our members, would
not be treated as SPAM.
The 3rd party mail service providers that I had found so far: MailChimp,
MailJet, Amazon-SES, SendGrid, MailGun (and many others).
Did lots of google searches, trying to compare (Advantages & Disadvantages)
between managing own SMTP mail server and using 3rd party mail services.
The results were mix and varied.
I myself certainly have much more faith in opting for a self-managed mail
server solution over the commercial mail service ones.
Some of the advantages:
- Have full control over most aspect of the mailing process. More
flexible. Not constraint by the ever-changing rules imposed by 3rd party
- Using all free & open source software - have all the freedom, and can
tap into the large FOSS Community out there for various kinds of help and
- Cost-wise, the mail server option is generally on the lower end of the
price spectrum, as compared to many of the 3rd party mail services in the
- No doubt the own mail server option would involve more work, more time
to manage the whole thing - but I'm quite happy to take up this challenge,
and to learn a lot from this hands-on experience.
I would be delighted if any of you who are experienced in managing a
linux-based mail server can kindly share with us some more real-life
examples and hands-on experiences - so that I can gather more solid
evidence & cases, hopefully to strengthen my case for a self-managed mail
Some points that I had read somewhere that I would like to quote below to
seek your comment:
"*What a commercial mailing list operator does, and which you cannot easily
replicate, is build and maintain a reputation as a responsible and
reputable source of bulk email. If you are not going to be getting into
that, perhaps you could benefit from getting help from a commercial mailer.
*Abuse handling, bounce handling etc are important to get right, but until
you have significant experience, your reputation is going to remain zero,
if not negative (which is a reasonable starting point for unknown domains
in this day and age). A lot of the reputation-based stuff like SPF, DKIM
etc will help only if you have a reputation to defend. On the other hand,
it does send the right signals to somebody who is deciding on whether or
not a sender is to be treated as reputable (or rather, their absence is not
a good sign; neither, in my book, is anything to suggest you are using
homegrown and/or prerelease software to send email). *..."
I also read somewhere which seemed to point to a 3rd option: Still use own
mail server, but direct the outbound mails to an external Mail Relay
service. What do you think?
When this whole project (if accepted by my Ctte) is done and implemented
successfully, I intend to share my experience in this whole process, in one
of LUV talks.
In the mean time, I have a lot of work to do, and lots to learn ...