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ZaTab tablet
by Sam Varghese 23 Aug '12

23 Aug '12

I was one of the people who bought a tablet from ZaReason after seeing a post about it on this list. I received the tablet a week ago. It does not fit my needs. If anyone wants to take it off my hands for the cost ($425.15) please contact me off-list. It also includes a 32GB microSD card. Thanks, Sam -- (Sam Varghese)

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Evaluate a website for me?
by Carl Turney 22 Aug '12

22 Aug '12

Hi All, After essentially 2 years of unemployment, today I =finally= landed a temp part-time job with a small company. Yay! I'd like to run a quick and dirty survey. Sort of a side-service to them, off my own bat. Those of you who create and maintain websites are among the best to ask. Regarding their current website... www.tripstop.net ...how would you rate its overall quality, on a scale of 1 = terrible 5 = average 10 = excellent Probably replying to me directly, off-list, would keep the list traffic level appropriate. You don't have to read through the whole thing. Just a page or two would be fine. No need for any detailed responses. Just a gut feel. Sending me the number alone would be adequate. If you would think in terms of visual appeal, ease of use, getting the message across, navigability, readability, etc. that's my focus. If you want to send any comments or suggestions too, that's fine. Thank you VERY much, and sorry if this topic was not suitable to the list. Carl Turney Mobile 0427 024 735 Bayswater

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Linux techies talking global sociology
by Carl Turney 22 Aug '12

22 Aug '12

Hi, I haven't followed the Refugee Rights thread very closely, so don't know if these things have already been raised yet... (1) Australia scores second in the Human Development Index... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index (2) Australia scores =sixth= in the Democracy Index... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index Note: I migrated here legally 27 years ago from the USA, and have never regretted it for a minute. But it's only logical. I'm a member of Mensa, am almost 60, and have a slew of degrees and diplomas. (3) I believe the underlying cause of so much suffering and hardship is world-wide overpopulation... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation Let's see if any of =these= things stir up debate among LUV-Talk. Cheers, Carl

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Wow, well done Red Hat!
by Geoff D'Arcy 21 Aug '12

21 Aug '12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4geTMvTwE8

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Re: [luv-talk] What rights do refugees have under the 1951 convention?
by tim josling 21 Aug '12

21 Aug '12

> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 10:47:51 +1000 > From: Rohan McLeod <rhn(a)jeack.com.au> > Subject: Re: [luv-talk] What rights do refugees have under the 1951 > convention? > Cc: luv-talk <luv-talk(a)luv.asn.au> > Message-ID: <502EE637.5010002(a)jeack.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Russell Coker wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2012, tim josling<tej(a)melbpc.org.au> wrote: > .......snip > >> I don't want to provoke an argument about this. I would just like > to > >> know has someone actually thought through the implications of > >> alternative policies. > > If you don't want to have an argument then do some research and stop > with the > > leading questions. > Well I certainly understood Tim's questions as examples of what would > be > considered in a "coherent' policy > To quote Tim: > "Can someone point me at a coherent explanation and analysis of an > alternative policy? > I have searched in vain. The ALP searched high and low for > something > better and > failed to find it. If they could have found something better than > reverting to the hated > Howard policy I am sure they would have taken it. I don't mean > platitudes a la the Green's web > site which basically says "be kind to refugees" & "Labor and > Liberal > are mean". I mean....:" > So he is not asking for answers to the questions literally , but > rather > a policy which addresses them ! > > regards Rohan McLeod Yes. Thank you Rohan. All I am asking for is "Here is my proposed policy, and here is the evidence I have seriously thought through the consequences, including indirect consequences". Not "It is obvious that accepting anyone who shows up is the RIGHT THING TO DO and therefore the consequences must be OK". Not "Here is evidence Tony Abbott is a hypocrite and a liar!!!!!!!!!!". I am 57 years old. I am well aware that the vast majority of politicians are talented and experienced liars and thieves. Russel Coker said: "As previous analysis on this list has shown the cost would be less than the current policy no matter what you do." Can you point me at this "previous analysis"? I could not readily find it. As I said in my first post I did search in vain for evidence of a well-thought out alternative policy. As regards immigration as a solution to the so-called demographic time bomb, the studies I have seen suggest that the level of immigration required to substantially change this situation are extremely high and is not in prospect. Our current policies based on paying pensions using high population growth are basically a Ponzi scheme that must come to an end. I included the material by Charlie Munger as an *example* of second order effects. [Munger has made billions of dollars by understanding them. Whatever you might say about him, he is not silly and he is a lot smarted than most of the people on this list but that is not relevant to the issue of refugees]. Tim Josling

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Employing a Linux Sysadmin
by jk＠smartguide.com.au 21 Aug '12

21 Aug '12

Hi All, Just wandering if anybody had any advice on a good place to advertise for a Linux sysadmin (other than seek.com.au). Here is the position in case anyone here is interested or knows anybody who is: http://www.smartguide.com.au/employment Thanks! jk

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Re: [luv-talk] Game Masters Exhibition at ACMI
by David E Payne 20 Aug '12

20 Aug '12

I haven't been yet but just noticed that the 2 Fridays left in August are by far the cheapest ($10) time to go. However it may be worth paying more to go when it's less busy. Some of the talks are free, eg. http://www.acmi.net.au/game_masters_curator_talks_arcade.aspx Some talks are not free, eg. tonight's Re:Play Someone Else's Skin Tue 21 Aug 2012, 7pm Location Studio 1 Admission Full $15 Concession $12 ACMI Member $11 Dav(e/id/o/y) --- On Sun, 12/8/12, thelionroars <thelionroars1337(a)gmail.com> wrote: From: thelionroars <thelionroars1337(a)gmail.com> Subject: [luv-talk] Game Masters Exhibition at ACMI To: "luv-talk" <luv-talk(a)luv.asn.au> Received: Sunday, 12 August, 2012, 6:05 PM Has anyone else been to the game masters exhibition at ACMI? I really enjoyed it. The exhibition has been organised around some of the pioneers and greats of video game creation. There are 125 playable games from the old Donkey Kong and other coin ops to modern console and mobile platforms. There is about an hour's worth of interview footage as well scattered around. Well worth a visit :) -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ luv-talk mailing list luv-talk(a)lists.luv.asn.au http://lists.luv.asn.au/listinfo/luv-talk

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Tony Scott's death prefigured by "Lemmings" TV commercial?
by David E Payne 20 Aug '12

20 Aug '12

That someone chose to kill himself leaving his wife & kids grieving is no joke. But I wonder if the way he chose to die was influenced by his direction of the infamous Apple Macintosh "Lemmings" ad aired during the USA Superbowl a year after his brother's "1984" ad. If it hasn't happened yet, I'm expecting a media storm of misuse of the word "ironic" when the thematic connection is made. Dav(e/id/o/y)

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Re: [luv-talk] What rights do refugees have under the 1951 convention?
by tim josling 20 Aug '12

20 Aug '12

> "Tell Abbott and Gillard: don't punish refugees in my name" Can someone point me at a coherent explanation and analysis of an alternative policy? I have searched in vain. The ALP searched high and low for something better and failed to find it. If they could have found something better than reverting to the hated Howard policy I am sure they would have taken it. I don't mean platitudes a la the Green's web site which basically says "be kind to refugees" & "Labor and Liberal are mean". I mean: a) What measures do we take in regard to people showing up? Do we try to inhibit this at all? Do we monitor arrivals? Based on the policy, how many people will show up and what would the cost and consequences be? What would the monitoring cost? What would be the numbers of boat people who arrive and how many would likely die at sea per annum? b) What do we do with the people who show up? Bearing in mind some will be refugees and others will be economic migrants, and others will be criminals. Do we allow anyone who arrives to stay? If not, how do we force the others to stay? Do we assess people, and what do we do with them in the meantime? What do we do with people we decide we don't want to allow to stay? How many people are likely to be in each category and what is the likely cost and impact? c) How many of the tens of millions of people in refugee status around the world will come to Australia. Will the policy imply an increase in overall immigration? Should other components be cut to compensate? What would be the economic, environmental, and social impacts of this change on current residents of Australia? d) What is the health, mental health and educational and vocational status of people who are likely to take advantage of the proposed system? What sort of citizens have refugees or other unscheduled arrivals made historically? Did this depend on our screening processes? What will be the economic and social impact? I don't want to provoke an argument about this. I would just like to know has someone actually thought through the implications of alternative policies. Nor do I mean to diminish the terrible plight of refugees and other impoverished people around the world. Personally my gut feel is we should quadruple the refugee quota but try to discourage people from arriving via dangerous boat journeys. I doubt our willingness and even our ability to take all of the tens of millions of refugees from around the world. Politicians are notorious for ignoring the second-order effects of their policies. Some material on second-order effects at this link http://infoproc.blogspot.com.au/2008/03/charlie-munger-ricardo-and-finance.… Tim Josling

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Re: [luv-talk] What rights do refugees have under the 1951 convention?
by Alex Hutton 18 Aug '12

18 Aug '12

Hi Tim, Did you see the links I posted? Eliminating the welfare state is the alternative, otherwise immigration must be controlled by some means or other. That's the fundamental point. So if we accept there is going to be a welfare state, it becomes a question of how to achieve effective immigration control. It seems to me that Temporary Protection Visas would be the most effective measure. I believe they are now being reintroduced as of last week. The wikipedia page for TPVs is not too bad if you are unfamiliar with them and the reasons why Labor removed them. Cheers, Alex On 18/08/2012 10:44 PM, "tim josling" <tej(a)melbpc.org.au> wrote: > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 10:47:51 +1000 > From: Rohan McLeod <rhn(a)jeack.com.au> > Subject: Re: [luv-talk] What rights do refugees have under the 1951 > convention? > Cc: luv-talk <luv-talk(a)luv.asn.au> > Message-ID: <502EE637.5010002(a)jeack.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Russell Coker wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2012, tim josling<tej(a)melbpc.org.au> wrote: > .......s... Yes. Thank you Rohan. All I am asking for is "Here is my proposed policy, and here is the evidence I have seriously thought through the consequences, including indirect consequences". Not "It is obvious that accepting anyone who shows up is the RIGHT THING TO DO and therefore the consequences must be OK". Not "Here is evidence Tony Abbott is a hypocrite and a liar!!!!!!!!!!". I am 57 years old. I am well aware that the vast majority of politicians are talented and experienced liars and thieves. Russel Coker said: "As previous analysis on this list has shown the cost would be less than the current policy no matter what you do." Can you point me at this "previous analysis"? I could not readily find it. As I said in my first post I did search in vain for evidence of a well-thought out alternative policy. As regards immigration as a solution to the so-called demographic time bomb, the studies I have seen suggest that the level of immigration required to substantially change this situation are extremely high and is not in prospect. Our current policies based on paying pensions using high population growth are basically a Ponzi scheme that must come to an end. I included the material by Charlie Munger as an *example* of second order effects. [Munger has made billions of dollars by understanding them. Whatever you might say about him, he is not silly and he is a lot smarted than most of the people on this list but that is not relevant to the issue of refugees]. Tim Josling _______________________________________________ luv-talk mailing list luv-talk(a)lists.luv.asn.au ht...

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