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Re: [luv-talk] What rights do refugees have under the 1951 Convention?
by Alex Hutton 16 Aug '12

16 Aug '12

People who advocate that 'Australia' should help refugees are also playing politics. They are making themselves look humanitarian when in actual fact all they are doing is declaring how other people's money should be spent. If they really wanted to help refugees they should do something practical rather than complain that other people aren't doing enough. On 15/08/2012 10:17 AM, "Jason White" <jason(a)jasonjgw.net> wrote: Peter Ross <Peter.Ross(a)bogen.in-berlin.de> wrote: > I guess there are many decent people here, as ... There are, including people who support and advocate publicly for the rights and interests of refugees. > > It is just time to get rid of politicians who continue to kick powerless > people as asylum se... I would characterize it as playing politics with the lives of the most vulnerable. The problem with processing asylum claims outside the migration zone is that the applicants have no access to judicial review of decisions that may be made against them. Immigration officers sometimes make serious errors, which can only be corrected if there is a court with jurisdiction to decide the cases. The grounds for judicial review of administrative decisions are confined to matters of law; the facts can't be directly contested in court, and, to avoid a misconception, courts don't entertain frivolous claims. So the result of bad policy is that claims are evaluated in circumstances in which there is no judicial oversight of administrative decisions. _______________________________________________ luv-talk mailing list luv-talk(a)lists.luv.asn.au htt...

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Galaxy S3 review
by Russell Coker 16 Aug '12

16 Aug '12

http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/battle-of-the-smartphones- iphone-4s-v-galaxy-s-iii-20120808-23sz9.html The above seems quite impressive. I've been waiting for someone to release a phone that can do video and still pictures at the same time and the ability to take 20 pictures automatically and then present the best 8 to the user seems to have a lot of potential if implemented properly. 4.8" is a decent size, but I'd rather have the Galaxy Note 2. Also it's nice to see Android phones kicking Apple's butt. Android isn't a great open platform, but it's a lot better than iOS. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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National Security petition
by Ben McGinnes 15 Aug '12

15 Aug '12

Hello, As some of you know, I've been holed up working on a submission to the PJCIS for the National Security Legislation Inquiry. While most of you have neither the time, nor the inclination to do the same, can you at least sign this petition about it? http://pirateparty.org.au/natsecinquiry-petition/ For the quick and nasty overview, look at these short fliers: http://pirateparty.org.au/media/promotional/natsecinquiry_poster.png http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/sites/default/files/natsecinquiry.pdf For slightly longer news articles, read these: http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/07/10/government-unveils-huge-wishlist-of-new… https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/07/australian-government-moves-expand-su… http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/07/23/hypothetical-news-from-a-national-secur… Even more info is available here: http://pirateparty.org.au/wiki/National_Security_Inquiry My more in depth reading of the government proposals indicate that it will easily be possible for the powers that be to spy on anyone or criminalise them, regardless of whether or not they've actually committed any crimes (it would easily be possible to send anyone to jail). It's actually quite hideous, which is why I'm breaking with my normal policy of not sending things like this to everyone I know. There are some rather nasty aspects of this which should definitely be of concern to LUV members. Like the sections making failure to assist in decryption of data crime, being able to modify or delete data on a system and use of third party systems and networks to access a system targeted by a warrant. Regards, Ben

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Amiga User Group of Victoria fund-raising auction 3pm Sunday, Wadham House Mt Waverley
by David E Payne 15 Aug '12

15 Aug '12

Amiga User Group of Victoria is having a fund-raising auction 3pm, Sunday 19th August, Wadham House, Mount Waverley which is just North of the local library just North of the railway station. (Part of their meeting which starts at 2pm). $5 fee if you want to SELL something OR $2 to visit (or buy) only. http://aug.org.au/

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Re: [luv-talk] National Security petition
by Tim Hamilton 14 Aug '12

14 Aug '12

> From: Ben McGinnes <ben(a)adversary.org> > To: luv-talk <luv-talk(a)luv.asn.au> > Cc: > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:35:25 +1000 > Subject: [luv-talk] National Security petition > Hello, > As some of you know, I've been holed up working on a > submission to the PJCIS for the National Security Legislation Inquiry. > > While most of you have neither the time, nor the inclination to do the > same, can you at least sign this petition about it? > > http://pirateparty.org.au/natsecinquiry-petition/ > > For the quick and nasty overview, look at these short fliers: > > http://pirateparty.org.au/media/promotional/natsecinquiry_poster.png > http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/sites/default/files/natsecinquiry.pdf > > For slightly longer news articles, read these: > > http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/07/10/government-unveils-huge-wishlist-of-new… > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/07/australian-government-moves-expand-su… > http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/07/23/hypothetical-news-from-a-national-secur… > > Even more info is available here: > > http://pirateparty.org.au/wiki/National_Security_Inquiry > > My more in depth reading of the government proposals indicate that it > will easily be possible for the powers that be to spy on anyone or > criminalise them, regardless of whether or not they've actually > committed any crimes (it would easily be possible to send anyone to > jail). It's actually quite hideous, which is why I'm breaking with my > normal policy of not sending things like this to everyone I know. > > There are some rather nasty aspects of this which should definitely be > of concern to LUV members. Like the sections making failure to assist > in decryption of data crime, being able to modify or delete data on a > system and use of third party systems and networks to access a system > targeted by a warrant. > > > Regards, > Ben > Ben, thanks for taking the time to author a submission to the enquiry and for forwarding on these links. As you say many of us don't have the inclination or the time to look deeply into issues like this that seem at first glance not to have a large impact on our day to day lives. Hopefully this will prove the impetus some of us need to bring these issues to a wider audience. Cheers Tim Hamilton -- On the internet, no one can hear you </sarcasm>

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Re: [luv-talk] luv-talk Digest, Vol 11, Issue 8
by tim josling 14 Aug '12

14 Aug '12

On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 14:08 +1000, luv-talk-request(a)lists.luv.asn.au wrote: > I am sick of this "boat people drama" going on for 10 years. It is > the > meanest, nastiest debate I came across so far in a democratic society. > > Agree. I think Julia Gillard has realised that most people feel this way and so she is now moving to close the issue down by basically reimplementing the Howard Government's policy, which Labor dismantled on gaining office. Tony Abbott has signalled the opposition will support the needed legislation. One good thing to come out of this is that our refugee quota will be increased, though not as much as I would like. (There are about 10,000,000 refugees around the world so it is not realistic to take them all here in Oz). Tim Josling

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Re: [luv-talk] Battery lifetime [Was: Custom battery charging levels]
by Trent W. Buck 14 Aug '12

14 Aug '12

Bianca Gibson wrote: > Actually, I can do better :P. I can put a slice on the bottum (an > extra 9 cells). Then it runs for 2 days (including leaving it > suspended overnight) without charging. Niiiiiice. Now to "win" I have to change the game and bring in mass as a metric ;-)

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unsubscribe
by Paul Holt 14 Aug '12

14 Aug '12

unsubscribe -- Sent from my phone-like device. On Aug 14, 2012 3:56 PM, "Ben McGinnes" <ben(a)adversary.org> wrote: > On 14/08/12 12:45 PM, Trent W. Buck wrote: > > Ben McGinnes wrote: > >> http://pirateparty.org.au/natsecinquiry-petition/ > > > > Oops, of course if I just follow the link, this URL works: > > > > http://petitions.pirateparty.org.au/natsecinquiry > > The other link loads that one in a frame. > > > It assumes everyone has a single first name and a single last name, > > which is broken :-) > > Yeah, I forgot to check if it worked with mononyms, that's bad. > > > <input type='email' id='email' name='email' value=""> > > > > That isn't recognized as an input field, thugh, because email is not > > a valid @type for INPUT as at HTML4. That last appears to be what > > yields "There are incomplete fields." and prevents me signing it. > > Okay, I've forwarded this to the PPAU Secretary. > > > Regards, > Ben > > > _______________________________________________ > luv-talk mailing list > luv-talk(a)lists.luv.asn.au > http://lists.luv.asn.au/listinfo/luv-talk > >

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open pandora
by Sam Watkins 13 Aug '12

13 Aug '12

I'm total ignorant businessly, however here is my new Aussie shop for selling Pandora and various extraneous arcana: http://pandoria.org/shop.html If you love Linux, like to play games, and have pockets, you really *do* need one of these! This is a sort-of-commerical or spammish email, but if it's any consolation for a grumpy moderator, I doubt I'll make any money!

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Science Week 2012
by David E Payne 13 Aug '12

13 Aug '12

Science Week 2012 is from 11th to 19th August. http://www.scienceweek.net.au/ Possibly one of the more controversial parts will be Ian Enting's Tuesday 14th public lecture disputing climate change denial. http://www.complex.org.au/c_events.php This lecture will cause a change from the usual meetings of http://www.meetup.com/17Group/events/75638672/?a=me2_grp&rv=me2 (Usually they currently meet at "Lentils As Anything" in Footscray).

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