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Re: [luv-talk] Refugees (was Re: Vale Nelson Mandela)
by Petros 13 Mar '14

13 Mar '14

Quoting "Petros" <Petros.Listig(a)fdrive.com.au> > In UK, Mrs. Bishop was interviewed by the BBC. She claimed that the > camps are in acceptable conditions etc. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03xdmz6 (start at ca. 1:14 hr) > > Theresienstadt was looking good as well (when the Red Cross visited). Worse, she is a blatant liar - she has never seen the detention centres: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-says-mp-… "Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says she did not visit sites where single male asylum seekers are held on Nauru because she was advised it could disrupt the peace. Ms Bishop has come under fire for praising the conditions for asylum seekers on Nauru, after Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young claimed that the minister had only visited staff housing, not the detainee tent accommodation." [The article confirms that in detail] The Greens asked her to see the camp in Manus Island while she is there: http://greens.org.au/node/3428 "The Australian Greens have called on the Foreign Minister Julie Bishop to inspect the Manus Island detention centre while she is in Papua New Guinea." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-05/an-julie-bishop-in-first-ministerial-… There was no visit either. The schooling etc. is a myth - it does not happen. The processing of asylum seekers does not happen. There is no possible resettlement in Australia, contrary to her claims at the BBC. In short: If you want to stop the boats that badly, be honest at least. Take a boat, a rifle and kill them when they come. Don't run this sham off-shore and pretend everything is fine. Don't be such a coward. Thanks Peter

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Kevin Korb on the Defence Trade Controls Act
by Rodney Brown 13 Mar '14

13 Mar '14

At the Melbourne Future day on March 1 Kevin B. Korb gave a presentation <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQUze1wJXso">Technofuture Politics in Australia</a> (Youtube 617Mb), about the <a href="http://www.defence.gov.au/ustradetreaty/pdf-docs/defence-trade-controls-act…">Defence Trade Controls Act 2012</a> and the TPP. He discussed the DTCA in the blog post <a href="http://bayesian-intelligence.com/bwb/2013-07/australias-act-of-intellectual…">Australia's Act of Intellectual Terrorism: DTCA 2012</a> (July 2013) and links to http://victimsofdsto.com/dtca/ . Quoting /*Australia Prepares to Eat its Brains*/ A key feature of the Act is that it requires prior permission to communicate new research to a foreign national in any of the nominated areas. This includes, but is hardly limited to, publishing research in academic journals. .... Obtaining prior approval for each research project and, possibly, each research communication would put an end to a very large amount of research activity in Australia, directing researchers, students and subsequent economic activity elsewhere. Permission would be required to publish across a huge range of areas under active research in the university sector. Without a clear opportunity to publish, most academics would choose not to undertake research projects in these areas, meaning that ARC and NHMRC I think the current list of == <a href="http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013C00051/Download"> Defence and Strategic Goods List Amendment 2011 (No. 1)- F2013C00051</a> Some excerpts Amendment of Defence and Strategic Goods List 9A012 "Unmanned aerial vehicles" ("UAVs"), associated systems, equipment and components, as follows: a. "UAVs" having any of the following: 1. An autonomous flight control and navigation capability (e.g., an autopilot with an Inertial Navigation System); or 2. Capability of controlled-flight out of the direct vision range involving a human operator (e.g., televisual remote control); b. Associated systems, equipment and components, as follows: 1. Equipment specially designed for remotely controlling the "UAVs" specified in 9A012.a.; 2. Systems for navigation, attitude, guidance or control, other than those specified in 7A and specially designed to provide autonomous flight control or navigation capability to "UAVs" specified in 9A012.a.; 3. Equipment and components, specially designed to convert a manned "aircraft" to a "UAV" specified in 9A012.a.; 4. Air breathing reciprocating or rotary internal combustion type engines, specially designed or modified to propel "UAVs" at altitudes above 50,000 feet (15,240 metres). 7D003 Other "software" as follows: a. "Software" specially designed or modified to improve the operational performance or reduce the navigational error of systems to the levels specified in 7A003, 7A004 or 7A008; b. "Source code" for hybrid integrated systems which improves the operational performance or reduces the navigational error of systems to the level specified in 7A003 or 7A008 by continuously combining heading data with any of the following: 1. Doppler radar or sonar velocity data; 2. Global navigation satellite systems (i.e., GPS or GLONASS) reference data; or 3. Data from "Data-Based Referenced Navigation" ("DBRN") systems; c. "Source code" for integrated avionics or mission systems which combine sensor data and employ "expert systems"; d. "Source code" for the "development" of any of the following: 1. Digital flight management systems for "total control of flight"; 2. Integrated propulsion and flight control systems; 3. Fly-by-wire or fly-by-light control systems; 4. Fault-tolerant or self-reconfiguring "active flight control systems"; 5. Airborne automatic direction finding equipment; 6. Air data systems based on surface static data; or 7. Raster-type head-up displays or three dimensional displays; e. Computer-Aided-Design (CAD) "software" specially designed for the "development" of "active flight control systems", helicopter multi-axis fly-by-wire or fly-by-light controllers or helicopter "circulation controlled anti-torque or circulation-controlled direction control systems", whose "technology" is specified in 7E004.b., 7E004.c.1. or 7E004.c.2. ML17. Miscellaneous equipment, materials and 'libraries', as follows, and specially designed components therefor: ... "Robot" (2 8 ML17) means a manipulation mechanism, which may be of the continuous path or of the point-to-point variety, may use sensors, and has all the following characteristics: a. Is multifunctional; b. Is capable of positioning or orienting material, parts, tools or special devices through variable movements in three dimensional space; c. Incorporates three or more closed or open loop servo-devices which may include stepping motors; and d. Has "user-accessible programmability" by means of teach/playback method or by means of an electronic computer which may be a programmable logic controller, i.e., without mechanical intervention. N.B.: The above definition does not include the following devices: 1. Manipulation mechanisms which are only manually / teleoperator controllable; 2. Fixed sequence manipulation mechanisms which are automated moving devices, operating according to mechanically fixed programmed motions. The program is mechanically limited by fixed stops, such as pins or cams. The sequence of motions and the selection of paths or angles are not variable or changeable by mechanical, electronic or electrical means; 3. Mechanically controlled variable sequence manipulation mechanisms which are automated moving devices, operating according to mechanically fixed programmed motions. The program is mechanically limited by fixed, but adjustable stops, such as pins or cams. The sequence of motions and the selection of paths or angles are variable within the fixed program pattern. Variations or modifications of the program pattern (e.g., changes of pins or exchanges of cams) in one or more motion axes are accomplished only through mechanical operations; ML21. "Software" as follows: a. "Software" specially designed or modified for the "development", "production" or "use" of equipment, materials or "software", specified by the Munitions List; b. Specific "software", other than that specified by ML21.a., as follows: 1. "Software" specially designed for military use and specially designed for modelling, simulating or evaluating military weapon systems; 2. "Software" specially designed for military use and specially designed for modelling or simulating military operational scenarios; 3. "Software" for determining the effects of conventional, nuclear, chemical or biological weapons; 4. "Software" specially designed for military use and specially designed for Command, Communications, Control and Intelligence (C3I) or Command, Communications, Control, Computer and Intelligence (C4I) applications; c. "Software", not specified by ML21.a., or b., specially designed or modified to enable equipment not specified by the Munitions List to perform the military functions of equipment specified by the Munitions List. 4. Non-servo-controlled variable sequence manipulation mechanisms which are automated moving devices, operating according to mechanically fixed programmed motions. The program is variable but the sequence proceeds only by the binary signal from mechanically fixed electrical binary devices or adjustable stops; 5. Stacker cranes defined as Cartesian coordinate manipulator systems manufactured as an integral part of a vertical array of storage bins and designed to access the contents of those bins for storage or retrieval. ML22. "Technology" as follows: a. "Technology", other than specified in ML22.b., which is "required" for the "development", "production" or "use" of items specified by the Munitions List; b. "Technology" as follows: 1. "Technology" "required" for the design of, the assembly of components into, and the operation, maintenance and repair of, complete production installations for items specified by the Munitions List, even if the components of such production installations are not specified; 2. "Technology" "required" for the "development" and "production" of small arms, even if used to produce reproductions of antique small arms; 3. "Technology" "required" for the "development", "production" or "use" of toxicological agents, related equipment or components, specified by ML7.a. to ML7.g.; 4. "Technology" "required" for the "development", "production" or "use" of "biopolymers" or cultures of specific cells, specified by ML7.h.; 5. "Technology" "required" exclusively for the incorporation of "biocatalysts", specified by ML7.i.1., into military carrier substances or military material. Note 1: "Technology" "required" for the "development", "production" or "use" of items specified by the Munitions List remains under control even when applicable to any item not specified by the Munitions List. Note 2: ML22 does not apply to: a. "Technology" that is the minimum necessary for the installation, operation, maintenance (checking) and repair, of those items which are not controlled or whose export has been authorised; b. "Technology" that is "in the public domain", "basic scientific research" or the minimum necessary information for patent applications; c. "Technology" for magnetic induction for continuous propulsion of civil transport devices. GENERAL SOFTWARE NOTE (GSN) (This note overrides any control within section D of Categories 0 to 9.) Categories 0 to 9 of this list do not control "software" which is either: 1. Generally available to the public by being: a. Sold from stock at retail selling points, without restriction, by means of: 1. Over-the-counter transactions; 2. Mail order transactions; 3. Electronic transactions; or 4. Telephone order transactions; and b. Designed for installation by the user without further substantial support by the supplier; or N.B.: Entry a. of the General Software Note does not release "software" specified in Category 5 --- Part 2 ("Information Security"). 2. "In the public domain". "In the public domain" (GTN NTN GSN ML22), as it applies herein, means "technology" or "software" which has been made available without restrictions upon its further dissemination (copyright restrictions do not remove "technology" or "software" from being "in the public domain"). == The public domain statement above looks like it supports existing Open Source software. It would be perverse if US redistribution restrictions broke the "without restrictions upon its further dissemination" caveat. ... But you'd need legal advice ...

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Re: [luv-talk] Refugees (was Re: Vale Nelson Mandela)
by Petros 12 Mar '14

12 Mar '14

In UK, Mrs. Bishop was interviewed by the BBC. She claimed that the camps are in acceptable conditions etc. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03xdmz6 (start at ca. 1:14 hr) Theresienstadt was looking good as well (when the Red Cross visited). Well, "our" camps _are_ hard to judge because it is hard to see them, as I mentioned before. Quoting "Petros" <Petros.Listig(a)fdrive.com.au> > BTW: Australia, PNG and Nauru make it deliberately difficult to see > and report about these centres: > > https://en.rsf.org/nauru-unacceptable-increase-in-14-01-2014,45724.html > > "Reporters Without Borders is outraged by the decision by the > Micronesian island nation of Nauru, which hosts an Australian > government detention centre for asylum-seekers, to increase the cost > of a journalist visa from 200 to 8,000 US dollars – an increase of > nearly 4,000 per cent." > > “As with the detention centre on Manus Island, in Papua New Guinea, > the Australian government is trying to censor any embarrassing > information about the way it treats refugees. In the process of > externalizing the asylum-seeker issue, it is even managing to delegate > responsibility for censorship and discriminatory measures against the > media. > > "Reporters Without Borders already criticized the Australian > government’s policy of denying journalists access to its detention > centres in 2011 and 2012." There is a report about the timeline of the unrest (not on Australian media yet?) http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/12/manus-island-unrest-sparked-ri… Probably not all that great there.. Mrs. Bishop maintains there would be a procedure to deal with refugees in place. Truth is, there is not. For whom do Australians maintain this ignorance of facts. What is the purpose? The timeline above shows it brewing, and it matches my prediction stated on this list months earlier: (Quoting myself on the 12th Dec. 2013) > ''I have lived in war zones, with bombs and explosions. I have never > experienced what I am experiencing here > with the uncertainty … If we had died in the ocean, that would have > been better.'' > This is from an Iraqi refugee hanging out to dry on Manus Island. .. > It is inhumane, damaging and killing people. The world (outside a Rupert dominated mini universe, the flat Earth country Australia) sees all of this differently. You have other resources - use them to find out and judge what your governments are doing. Regards Peter

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Re: [luv-talk] Refugees (was Re: Vale Nelson Mandela)
by Tim Josling 12 Mar '14

12 Mar '14

> > From: "Lev Lafayette" > With some familiarity with policy statements of political parties between > elections you would become aware that high level statements are the norm. < Lev fills in the many blanks in the "Greens" policy with a combination of common sense (as he sees it), the obvious (ditto), inferences from their general attitudes, current policies etc.> I have tried this approach myself in the past, but ran into a few problems. 1. What is obvious to one person is not obvious to someone else. If you have ever been involved in a business requirements workshop for an IT project you will have observed this phenomenon. I have frequently found that people regard the impossible as obvious (eg having been asked several times to implement solutions to NP-complete problems, and also to implement Human Level AI). 2. It is not clear when to apply common sense / the obvious versus existing policy versus inference from the current attitudes of the group in question. 3. There is no analysis of the implications and consequences of the policy. This is left as an exercise for the reader. The "Greens"' track record when they have made predictions on refugee policy is dismal. For example, they ridiculed the idea that softening policy on boat people would increase their numbers. This was so wrong that I think we need to add a new category of error to Pauli's three categories of error: a) Wrong b) Totally wrong c) Not even wrong (not even right enough to be meaningfully wrong) Perhaps we could add d) Green-wrong (so out of touch with the real world that it would be a complete fluke if their prediction had any information value at all). 4. If the reader performs the analysis based on filling in the blanks then we run into the final problem which is the denial that that was what was intended. Some examples: Let's say we take on board the suggestion that all refugee applications must be finalized within 12 months, which sounds reasonable. But remember, refugees are to be granted full access to the Australian legal system, with appeals, and will be eligible for legal aid. Anyone who has been involved in the legal system will be aware that fully running through the court processes in 12 months is not to be expected. And this is assuming that the administrative processes, including on-site investigations, waiting for replies from foreign governments etc can be done in 12 months. There seems to be a contradiction here. You cannot realistically resolve all claims in 12 months *and* give people full access to the courts. Also we have been told people should be able to work in Australia while their situation is being determined. And we are not going to break up families, so if two people have a child while they are here for several years, and the child has an enhanced claim on staying, and we are not going to break up families? The implication is that you can come here, get a work permit, string out the determination process until you have a child and it will be very hard ever to get you out of the country. Even the opportunity to work in Australia for 3-5 years is very valuable. I met a guy about 20 years ago in Bali who had gone to Australia and worked for a few years, then returned, a rich man in local terms - he was able to buy a nice house, had a young and pretty wife and had bought a good business. Not bad. How many people would like to take up such an opportunity? So you get told, oh no your assumptions are wrong. They will only get legal aid money and access to the appeals process if their appeal has a strong chance to succeed. So who decides this? Bureaucrats of course! So you are saying they actually will not have full access to the courts? No, .... And you run around the mulberry bush indefinitely. A pointless waste of time. Lev it might be helpful though for you to put up your own proposal and your analysis of its implications. But this fill in the blanks approach does not work. Tim

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Kelvin Thompson MP on immigration
by Russell Coker 11 Mar '14

11 Mar '14

http://kelvinthomson.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/extraordinary-call-for-increas… to.html The Australian Industry Group is calling for an increase in permanent work visas of 30,000 per annum. That increase is greater than the number of asylum seekers we have ever had in any year. If population growth is a problem then all we need to do is to freeze (or even decrease) the number of migrant workers. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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Re: [luv-talk] Refugees (was Re: Vale Nelson Mandela)
by Petros 11 Mar '14

11 Mar '14

Quoting "Brent Wallis" <brent.wallis(a)gmail.com> > You have made comment in the past on how cool and righteous that it > is to live as a hunter / gatherer on mother earth In front of this building is a 4WD with a sticker: "If you want to go fishing do not vote Green!".. I am confused here.. Fucking up and detain people until they get killed is rational.. being against it is extremist. Regards Peter

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Re: [luv-talk] Refugees (was Re: Vale Nelson Mandela)
by Petros 11 Mar '14

11 Mar '14

Quoting "Brent Wallis" <brent.wallis(a)gmail.com> > Adam Bandy Legs is just another shill. > > Get Adam and or any other Green to join me in a PNG visit paid for > out of their own hard earned (stress that, they need to show that > they truly care and not just use up some donors cash!!!) and I will > gladly walk down Collins St naked in response. Can I forward this to Adam Bandt? When will you run? BTW: Australia, PNG and Nauru make it deliberately difficult to see and report about these centres: https://en.rsf.org/nauru-unacceptable-increase-in-14-01-2014,45724.html "Reporters Without Borders is outraged by the decision by the Micronesian island nation of Nauru, which hosts an Australian government detention centre for asylum-seekers, to increase the cost of a journalist visa from 200 to 8,000 US dollars – an increase of nearly 4,000 per cent." “As with the detention centre on Manus Island, in Papua New Guinea, the Australian government is trying to censor any embarrassing information about the way it treats refugees. In the process of externalizing the asylum-seeker issue, it is even managing to delegate responsibility for censorship and discriminatory measures against the media. "Reporters Without Borders already criticized the Australian government’s policy of denying journalists access to its detention centres in 2011 and 2012." And then the Scott Morrison Muppet Show. The one with the pumped up general. Strange, I still thought the army is managed by the Department of Defence. Silly me, we have the Queen represented by a general, a general all the time with the minister for immigration and disinformation.. I mean, if they are the best running the show here (and are above criticism, as Shorten found out), why bother with electing these C grade politicians? Culling Morrison is in the interest of the Liberal policy of lean government. Lean government.. oh, the muffling man has 66 spin doctors advising him to say nothing? http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-has-66… "The Immigration Department employs a 66-strong team of spin doctors, dwarfing the 39 media and communications staff employed by Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the ministers on his frontbench." WTF has that all to do with managing refugees? Guys, you are so pathetic.. The Rocky Horror Picture Show makes more sense than what's going on here. And everything just to manage the traffic in Western Sydney. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/liberal-candid… Good that Australians elect people like her. Some common sense in parliament: http://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Parliamentarian?MPID=165476 Compared to that genius Naphtine is a doughnut. He just manages to sink billions to build a tollway where we all can crawl at high speed (ca. 30km/h) at peak hour soon: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/east-west-link-to-hit-peak-capacity-by-20… As proven on Monash and Tulla before. > PS: Task for the assembled watchers...... what unique characteristic > defines a Manus Island Local??? > No answer? Well there is one...and if you do not know, then how can > you make comment on what has happened over there??? Maybe you can enlighten me, I have not seen every stretch on Earth. A question for you: What has Manus Island to do with a refugee from Iran? Regards Peter

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Subject: Re: Mike Godwin comments on Australian politics
by Tim Josling 10 Mar '14

10 Mar '14

From: Michael Scott Subject: Re: [luv-talk] Mike Godwin comments on Australian politics > ... I'm not sure what the right answer is to Australia's "asylum seeker" > situation, but I'm pretty sure the current policy isn't it. The current > policy suits the current populism, on both sides of politics.... It may > have started under Howard but it continued and was revised to something > similar under Rudd/Gillard...and is being continued under Abbott. The only > difference I can see is that Abbott is trying to make it less visible.... If you have no alternative, how are you so "sure" that the current policy is not the best that governments can do in the circumstances? How do you know such an alternative exists? Particularly when the ALP came to power in a blaze of moral indignation claiming they would do away with the coalition's inhumane policy and would do far better. And then - as you suggest - proceeded, after some delay, to do the same thing but less competently. You seem to have plenty of energy to spend on denouncing "populism" and by implication the general moral inferiority of other people etc. Why not spend that energy coming up with an actual alternative? Tim

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A BitTorrent tracker tracker like trackon?
by Carl Turney 08 Mar '14

08 Mar '14

Hi All, I occasionally use the Transmission bit torrent client to obtain old public-domain and/or expired-copyright films. I am definitely an entry-level user of BitTorrent, and easily confused by the technology of it. But one of the things I do understand and like about it is the feature to edit the trackers for each active torrent. For a couple years now, I've gone to www.trackon.org (NOT .com) every few months, to get an up-to-date list of the "healthiest" trackers. This looks like an early announcement for it, and gives you a look and feel of it... trackon.moviesndroids.com Sadly, the links are dead, as is the URL a couple paragraphs above. Does anyone know if Trackon is permanently dead? Does anyone know of another "tracker tracker", where I can get the URLs of active and healthy trackers? Is there a common name for "tracker tracker"s or "tracker monitor"s that I don't know about, and can search for? Thanks very much, Carl Turney Bayswater

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MS LAN Manager and network printer
by Petros 06 Mar '14

06 Mar '14

Hi all, I have _one_ remaining DOS app which is used by many (to be replaced in the near future - year 2000 or so). I would like to get rid of Windows XP VMs and replace it by VirtualBox+FreeDOS. I found this here to access a shared drive from a Samba server: https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setup_FreeDOS_to_access_a_Samba_share One problem solved:-) The second: I need printing. I can give it access through Samba too.. .. I just forgot what I have to do in DOS to access a remote printer (and make it the default, redirecting LPT: or so I think??) Is FreeDOS and MS LAN Manager and card driver enough? I only need to print text (AFAIK), so if "print" works I am fine, I think. Any ideas are welcome.. my memory isn't good enough:-( Peter

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