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by Peter Ross 03 Apr '14

03 Apr '14

.. below. Showing the difference people can make. If someone is interested to do something for this country: http://chn.ge/N89BCd At least I believe it is as much about as about refugees. It is about the society we want to live in. Regards Peter http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/04/03/one-million-syrian-refugees-l… The number of Syrians registered as refugees in Lebanon after fleeing war in their country has surpassed one million, the UN refugee agency said on Thursday. .. "The number of school-aged children is now over 400,000, eclipsing the number of Lebanese children in public schools. These schools have opened their doors to over 100,000 refugees, yet the ability to accept more is severely limited," it added. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/04/03/png-australia-agree-resettle-… PNG and Australia have agreed all refugees will be resettled in PNG, weeks after Prime Minister Peter O'Neill said otherwise. "Ministers reiterated that all persons transferred to PNG under the RRA who are found to be refugees will be resettled in PNG. No one will be resettled in Australia," the pair said in a joint statement on Thursday. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/04/04/morrison-talks-cambodia Immigration Minister Scott Morrison's visit to Phnom Penh is fuelling speculation that Australia is trying to strike a refugee resettlement deal with Cambodia.

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Fw: Re: Don't laugh - got any PATA drives?
by David E Payne 29 Mar '14

29 Mar '14

On Sat, 29/3/14, David E Payne <spyder.king(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > " My impression is that the only > discussion that is OFFICIALLY off-topic for LUV-talk is > that > which should be on one of the other LUV list-conferences. > (Quite a lot of it?) > Although I don't think a lot of Fwds of animated > LOL-Catz or rewrites of Cro-Magnon's jokes about > Neanderthals etc. would be widely welcomed! > (OK the <Polish|Irish|Biddleonian> jokes > probably > aren't THAT old!) " Also bottom posting, like this paragraph, used to offend fewer LUV-talk participants. (Sorry I forgot!) Dav(e/id/o/y) ETC.

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Don't laugh - got any PATA drives?
by Carl Turney 29 Mar '14

29 Mar '14

Hi All, Don't laugh, or suggest SATA: Anyone got some larger ( > 80GB ) Parallel ATA drives to dispose of? Failing that, know of any second-hand parts shops in Melbourne that may? If "yes"... guess it makes sense to respond off-list. If "you shouldn't post questions like these on this list"... guess responding on-list is best. Thanks, Carl Bayswater

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FW: Alright I am going to confess to speculating on the fate of MH-370 !
by Karl Terauds 20 Mar '14

20 Mar '14

luv-talk-bounces(a)lists.luv.asn.au; on behalf of; Rohan McLeod <rhn(a)jeack.com.au> From: Simon Bromley [mailto:bromleysimon@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 19 March, 2014 8:37 PM To: Greg Bromley; Karl Terauds Subject: RE: [luv-talk] Alright I am going to confess to speculating on the fate of MH-370 ! I can't write enough to de bunk this myth. This guy is clueless and has 'cut and pasted' a number of sayings from the aviation world. No mention of his credentials apart from looking like he's from Mens Health magazine. The transponder has an emergency code. That code is 7700 and you don't have to talk to anyone. It will alert all ATC authorities of the Mayday situation. The problem is it was turned off...... > Subject: Re: [luv-talk] Alright I am going to confess to speculating on the fate of MH-370 ! > From: bromleyco(a)bigpond.com > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:13:29 +0800 > CC: bromleysimon(a)hotmail.com > To: karl(a)cosmicparrot.com.au > > I like that. Certainly a more tangible place to start. > > Greg > > > On 19/03/2014, at 1:57 PM, Karl Terauds wrote: > > > > > Alright I am going to confess to speculating on the fate of MH-370 !; > > everyone else seems to be and luv-talk is fairly quiet currently. > > > > Whilst the "currently sitting on mysterious runway, in {Western Australia, > > Kazakhstan, Antarctica,...); after 'hacking' of the fly-by-wire OS by { > > black-hats, CIA, grey-skinned-aliens,...} does appeal; currently the > > following seems quite good except for the evidence that the engines were > > sending pings, to the satellites for several hours ! > > > > https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13cv1gohsmbv5jmy221vrfyiz3vdhbop04 > > > > > > > > > > >

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Alright I am going to confess to speculating on the fate of MH-370 !
by Rohan McLeod 19 Mar '14

19 Mar '14

Alright I am going to confess to speculating on the fate of MH-370 !; everyone else seems to be and luv-talk is fairly quiet currently. Whilst the "currently sitting on mysterious runway, in {Western Australia, Kazakhstan, Antarctica,...); after 'hacking' of the fly-by-wire OS by { black-hats, CIA, grey-skinned-aliens,...} does appeal; currently the following seems quite goo;d except for the evidence that the engines were sending pings, to the satellites for several hours ! https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13cv1gohsmbv5jmy221vrfyiz3vdhbop04 regards Rohan McLeod

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Re: [luv-talk] Refugees (was Re: Vale Nelson Mandela)
by Petros 13 Mar '14

13 Mar '14

Quoting "Petros" <Petros.Listig(a)fdrive.com.au> > In case you agree with this treatment - take a rifle and shot your > refugee yourself. Of course you will not do that. Only few would. The problem is: When is this all "normal"? The "banality of evil" comes into play, as described in today's review of a movie about Hannah Arendt: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/hannah-arendt--review-air-thick-… "To Arendt, the significance of Eichmann was that he was a nobody, liberated from thinking about his actions by his sense of duty, a bureaucrat, not a monster, part of a brilliantly organised system. What he thought, the personal, did not matter, so long as he followed procedure." Since 2001 we are getting trained to believe it is okay to deal with refugees as we do now. Do you remember the conditioning? The evil refugees first who would throw their children overboard to come here? The queue jumpers? The people smugglers? The poor people drowning souls? The reasoning changed - the outcome stayed the same: How to punish refugees. Single out some people you have "to deal with" is a well-known method to rule. It is bullying. It attracts willing followers, injects fears, silences critics and distracts from other issues. The next group of people are already full in sight: the Greens. Nothing makes it easier to deal with them as labelling them extremist. Who comes next? Regards Peter

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Re: [luv-talk] Refugees (was Re: Vale Nelson Mandela)
by Petros 13 Mar '14

13 Mar '14

Quoting "Michael Scott" <luv(a)inoz.net> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Petros Petros.Listig(a)fdrive.com.au wrote: > >> Quoting "Michael Scott" < luv(a)inoz.net > >> >>> Calling her a blatant liar because she hasn't personally visited the >>> centres is a little bit over the top. >> >> No. When she is asked about the "inhumane conditions", Julie Bishop >> says in the BBC interview "I have seen it myself", and makes >> subsequently claims that are not true. > > In which case she's also stupid, but saying she's "seen it herself" > doesn't mean she's seen every centre, but I'll take your word for > her referring to the same things in both cases. http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-defen… "Well I've visited there," Ms Bishop told the interviewer. "And I'm satisfied that . . . people are treated appropriately, with dignity." > What "subsequent claims" did she make that you know to be untrue? http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/befuddled-julie-bi… First came the assertion that the claims of asylum seekers ''are processed in third countries, and then we look for resettlement in other countries, including in Australia - and we've done this before and it worked''. Advertisement If this were the case, some of the concerns of human rights agencies would be allayed, but the message to boat arrivals is that they will never be resettled in Australia. According to Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, the only resettlement option for those on Manus Island whose refugee claims are recognised is resettlement in Papua New Guinea, even though this is a matter of conjecture in PNG. The same, it appears, goes for those on Nauru. Then came, ''people are clearly having their applications for asylum processed there [on Manus and Nauru] and if they are found not to be genuine asylum seekers, they are returned [home]''. The problem here is that no determinations on refugee status have been made - aside from one positive decision on Nauru - and the UN refugee agency has serious doubts about the capacity of either country to make determinations and give adequate protection to those who have fled persecution. Finally came a defence of the conditions in the camps, with the minister asserting that the asylum seekers are treated with dignity and respect. ''Their children go to school, they have community centres … the standard of accommodation and the standard of support they receive, in many instances, is better than that received by the people of Papua New Guinea''. Not so, says Sarah Hanson-Young, who has been to Manus and Nauru, where a combined 2400 asylum seekers are being detained, and Christmas Island, where another 1700 are being held. ''On Christmas Island, none of the children are going to school, and on Nauru, the situation is even worse,'' says the Greens' immigration spokesperson. ''In the middle of the Nauru compound, there is a tent where they run activities for the children for two hours a day, and that's it. There is no proper education and no dedicated learning space, let alone 'schooling'.'' When Ms Bishop was asked about the discrepancies, she said she was referring to the past practice of resettling in third countries and Australia. She then referred other questions to Mr Morrison. --- Well, she was not asked about the past, wasn't she? What she is doing in London is trying to cover up inexcusable inhumanity by blatant lying. In case you agree with this treatment - take a rifle and shot your refugee yourself. Otherwise pressure your government. Take their word and make the picture of human treatment reality: processing, resettlement, schooling etc. Thanks Peter

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Re: [luv-talk] Refugees (was Re: Vale Nelson Mandela)
by Petros 13 Mar '14

13 Mar '14

Quoting "Michael Scott" <luv(a)inoz.net> > Calling her a blatant liar because she hasn't personally visited the > centres is a little bit over the top. No. When she is asked about the "inhumane conditions", Julie Bishop says in the BBC interview "I have seen it myself", and makes subsequently claims that are not true. Regards Peter

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Re: [luv-talk] Refugees (was Re: Vale Nelson Mandela)
by Petros 12 Mar '14

12 Mar '14

Quoting "Petros" <Petros.Listig(a)fdrive.com.au> > In UK, Mrs. Bishop was interviewed by the BBC. She claimed that the > camps are in acceptable conditions etc. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03xdmz6 (start at ca. 1:14 hr) > > Theresienstadt was looking good as well (when the Red Cross visited). Worse, she is a blatant liar - she has never seen the detention centres: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/julie-bishop-says-mp-… "Foreign Minister Julie Bishop says she did not visit sites where single male asylum seekers are held on Nauru because she was advised it could disrupt the peace. Ms Bishop has come under fire for praising the conditions for asylum seekers on Nauru, after Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young claimed that the minister had only visited staff housing, not the detainee tent accommodation." [The article confirms that in detail] The Greens asked her to see the camp in Manus Island while she is there: http://greens.org.au/node/3428 "The Australian Greens have called on the Foreign Minister Julie Bishop to inspect the Manus Island detention centre while she is in Papua New Guinea." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-05/an-julie-bishop-in-first-ministerial-… There was no visit either. The schooling etc. is a myth - it does not happen. The processing of asylum seekers does not happen. There is no possible resettlement in Australia, contrary to her claims at the BBC. In short: If you want to stop the boats that badly, be honest at least. Take a boat, a rifle and kill them when they come. Don't run this sham off-shore and pretend everything is fine. Don't be such a coward. Thanks Peter

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Kevin Korb on the Defence Trade Controls Act
by Rodney Brown 12 Mar '14

12 Mar '14

At the Melbourne Future day on March 1 Kevin B. Korb gave a presentation <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQUze1wJXso">Technofuture Politics in Australia</a> (Youtube 617Mb), about the <a href="http://www.defence.gov.au/ustradetreaty/pdf-docs/defence-trade-controls-act…">Defence Trade Controls Act 2012</a> and the TPP. He discussed the DTCA in the blog post <a href="http://bayesian-intelligence.com/bwb/2013-07/australias-act-of-intellectual…">Australia's Act of Intellectual Terrorism: DTCA 2012</a> (July 2013) and links to http://victimsofdsto.com/dtca/ . Quoting /*Australia Prepares to Eat its Brains*/ A key feature of the Act is that it requires prior permission to communicate new research to a foreign national in any of the nominated areas. This includes, but is hardly limited to, publishing research in academic journals. .... Obtaining prior approval for each research project and, possibly, each research communication would put an end to a very large amount of research activity in Australia, directing researchers, students and subsequent economic activity elsewhere. Permission would be required to publish across a huge range of areas under active research in the university sector. Without a clear opportunity to publish, most academics would choose not to undertake research projects in these areas, meaning that ARC and NHMRC I think the current list of == <a href="http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013C00051/Download"> Defence and Strategic Goods List Amendment 2011 (No. 1)- F2013C00051</a> Some excerpts Amendment of Defence and Strategic Goods List 9A012 "Unmanned aerial vehicles" ("UAVs"), associated systems, equipment and components, as follows: a. "UAVs" having any of the following: 1. An autonomous flight control and navigation capability (e.g., an autopilot with an Inertial Navigation System); or 2. Capability of controlled-flight out of the direct vision range involving a human operator (e.g., televisual remote control); b. Associated systems, equipment and components, as follows: 1. Equipment specially designed for remotely controlling the "UAVs" specified in 9A012.a.; 2. Systems for navigation, attitude, guidance or control, other than those specified in 7A and specially designed to provide autonomous flight control or navigation capability to "UAVs" specified in 9A012.a.; 3. Equipment and components, specially designed to convert a manned "aircraft" to a "UAV" specified in 9A012.a.; 4. Air breathing reciprocating or rotary internal combustion type engines, specially designed or modified to propel "UAVs" at altitudes above 50,000 feet (15,240 metres). 7D003 Other "software" as follows: a. "Software" specially designed or modified to improve the operational performance or reduce the navigational error of systems to the levels specified in 7A003, 7A004 or 7A008; b. "Source code" for hybrid integrated systems which improves the operational performance or reduces the navigational error of systems to the level specified in 7A003 or 7A008 by continuously combining heading data with any of the following: 1. Doppler radar or sonar velocity data; 2. Global navigation satellite systems (i.e., GPS or GLONASS) reference data; or 3. Data from "Data-Based Referenced Navigation" ("DBRN") systems; c. "Source code" for integrated avionics or mission systems which combine sensor data and employ "expert systems"; d. "Source code" for the "development" of any of the following: 1. Digital flight management systems for "total control of flight"; 2. Integrated propulsion and flight control systems; 3. Fly-by-wire or fly-by-light control systems; 4. Fault-tolerant or self-reconfiguring "active flight control systems"; 5. Airborne automatic direction finding equipment; 6. Air data systems based on surface static data; or 7. Raster-type head-up displays or three dimensional displays; e. Computer-Aided-Design (CAD) "software" specially designed for the "development" of "active flight control systems", helicopter multi-axis fly-by-wire or fly-by-light controllers or helicopter "circulation controlled anti-torque or circulation-controlled direction control systems", whose "technology" is specified in 7E004.b., 7E004.c.1. or 7E004.c.2. ML17. Miscellaneous equipment, materials and 'libraries', as follows, and specially designed components therefor: ... "Robot" (2 8 ML17) means a manipulation mechanism, which may be of the continuous path or of the point-to-point variety, may use sensors, and has all the following characteristics: a. Is multifunctional; b. Is capable of positioning or orienting material, parts, tools or special devices through variable movements in three dimensional space; c. Incorporates three or more closed or open loop servo-devices which may include stepping motors; and d. Has "user-accessible programmability" by means of teach/playback method or by means of an electronic computer which may be a programmable logic controller, i.e., without mechanical intervention. N.B.: The above definition does not include the following devices: 1. Manipulation mechanisms which are only manually / teleoperator controllable; 2. Fixed sequence manipulation mechanisms which are automated moving devices, operating according to mechanically fixed programmed motions. The program is mechanically limited by fixed stops, such as pins or cams. The sequence of motions and the selection of paths or angles are not variable or changeable by mechanical, electronic or electrical means; 3. Mechanically controlled variable sequence manipulation mechanisms which are automated moving devices, operating according to mechanically fixed programmed motions. The program is mechanically limited by fixed, but adjustable stops, such as pins or cams. The sequence of motions and the selection of paths or angles are variable within the fixed program pattern. Variations or modifications of the program pattern (e.g., changes of pins or exchanges of cams) in one or more motion axes are accomplished only through mechanical operations; ML21. "Software" as follows: a. "Software" specially designed or modified for the "development", "production" or "use" of equipment, materials or "software", specified by the Munitions List; b. Specific "software", other than that specified by ML21.a., as follows: 1. "Software" specially designed for military use and specially designed for modelling, simulating or evaluating military weapon systems; 2. "Software" specially designed for military use and specially designed for modelling or simulating military operational scenarios; 3. "Software" for determining the effects of conventional, nuclear, chemical or biological weapons; 4. "Software" specially designed for military use and specially designed for Command, Communications, Control and Intelligence (C3I) or Command, Communications, Control, Computer and Intelligence (C4I) applications; c. "Software", not specified by ML21.a., or b., specially designed or modified to enable equipment not specified by the Munitions List to perform the military functions of equipment specified by the Munitions List. 4. Non-servo-controlled variable sequence manipulation mechanisms which are automated moving devices, operating according to mechanically fixed programmed motions. The program is variable but the sequence proceeds only by the binary signal from mechanically fixed electrical binary devices or adjustable stops; 5. Stacker cranes defined as Cartesian coordinate manipulator systems manufactured as an integral part of a vertical array of storage bins and designed to access the contents of those bins for storage or retrieval. ML22. "Technology" as follows: a. "Technology", other than specified in ML22.b., which is "required" for the "development", "production" or "use" of items specified by the Munitions List; b. "Technology" as follows: 1. "Technology" "required" for the design of, the assembly of components into, and the operation, maintenance and repair of, complete production installations for items specified by the Munitions List, even if the components of such production installations are not specified; 2. "Technology" "required" for the "development" and "production" of small arms, even if used to produce reproductions of antique small arms; 3. "Technology" "required" for the "development", "production" or "use" of toxicological agents, related equipment or components, specified by ML7.a. to ML7.g.; 4. "Technology" "required" for the "development", "production" or "use" of "biopolymers" or cultures of specific cells, specified by ML7.h.; 5. "Technology" "required" exclusively for the incorporation of "biocatalysts", specified by ML7.i.1., into military carrier substances or military material. Note 1: "Technology" "required" for the "development", "production" or "use" of items specified by the Munitions List remains under control even when applicable to any item not specified by the Munitions List. Note 2: ML22 does not apply to: a. "Technology" that is the minimum necessary for the installation, operation, maintenance (checking) and repair, of those items which are not controlled or whose export has been authorised; b. "Technology" that is "in the public domain", "basic scientific research" or the minimum necessary information for patent applications; c. "Technology" for magnetic induction for continuous propulsion of civil transport devices. GENERAL SOFTWARE NOTE (GSN) (This note overrides any control within section D of Categories 0 to 9.) Categories 0 to 9 of this list do not control "software" which is either: 1. Generally available to the public by being: a. Sold from stock at retail selling points, without restriction, by means of: 1. Over-the-counter transactions; 2. Mail order transactions; 3. Electronic transactions; or 4. Telephone order transactions; and b. Designed for installation by the user without further substantial support by the supplier; or N.B.: Entry a. of the General Software Note does not release "software" specified in Category 5 --- Part 2 ("Information Security"). 2. "In the public domain". "In the public domain" (GTN NTN GSN ML22), as it applies herein, means "technology" or "software" which has been made available without restrictions upon its further dissemination (copyright restrictions do not remove "technology" or "software" from being "in the public domain"). == The public domain statement above looks like it supports existing Open Source software. It would be perverse if US redistribution restrictions broke the "without restrictions upon its further dissemination" caveat. ... But you'd need legal advice ...

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