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Re: [luv-talk] The Jolla Tablet
by Peter Ross 20 Nov '14

20 Nov '14

From: "thelionroars" <thelionroars1337(a)gmail.com> > > For those not familiar with Jolla and Sailfish: http://jolla.com/tablet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS#Privacy Responding to privacy concerns in light of the PRISM spying program that came to light in summer 2013, a company representative said the US National Security Agency (NSA) would have no access to Jolla's servers. "Jolla servers are not in US, so we are not subject to any US rules or regulations regarding disclosing information." I rather work with devices which do not store my private data on servers at all. Regards Peter

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Indiegogo updates....
by Andrew McGlashan 19 Nov '14

19 Nov '14

Hi, I chose to support a project and pledged monies on that project. What I want to know is: "Is it normal to get lots of /nothing/ updates, and I mean *LOTS* ?" I'm already sold on the product and the updates don't tell me anything new of any significance. Also, I was surprised that "stretch" goals were being used as a means to up-sell, rather than reward the supporters -- you want a gold one? Okay as an original supporter you can have it for $10 more per unit. The marketing rubbish on an already subscribed campaign is extreme. So much so, that I would consider pulling my support (not sure if I can or not). Thoughts? A.

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luv mail server back..... it was down for a few at least 3 days...
by Andrew McGlashan 18 Nov '14

18 Nov '14

Hi, What happened to the luv mail server? I just got an email [to the list] that was sent on the 12th November. An email was in my mail server's queue since the 16th (2:05am) -- just got my mail server to process that email. A.

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GST
by Russell Coker 15 Nov '14

15 Nov '14

Tony Abbott wants to increase GST and apply it to more items. The Liberal goal of increasing taxes on poor people is going well. Of course they could reduce the threshold for GST on imports and apply it to all those Kogan phones imported from Hong Kong for example, among other things that would help companies that actually run the businesses in Australia. But even taxing $500 phones would tend to hit the wealthier people and the multinational phone companies instead of poor people and farmers. -- Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 with K-9 Mail.

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Re: [luv-talk] Opposing marriage equality
by Peter Ross 13 Nov '14

13 Nov '14

From: "Russell Coker" <russell(a)coker.com.au> > Also it's interesting to note how many "Christians" expect Muslims who > live in > countries such as the US and Australia to disclaim any connection with > terrorists from the middle-east. But you never see Christians disclaiming > the > actions of the FRC. It's rare to even see Christians even denouncing the > WBC. Because it is silly. To ask someone to "denounce" someone elses act is complete nonsense if you talk about large groups which have millions and billions of members. You are not "closely associated" with any particular member or a small fraction you may nothing to do with at all. E.g. the IS has a few ten thousands or so. It you are lucky it is 0.1 % of the Muslim population world wide. BTW: You may interested how many percent of the world-wide sales of weaponry end up in the hand of these. That may give you a bit interesting insight about who is behind what. But apologies for sidetracking. Also people leaving a country and situation are lucky to leave it all behind. E.g. I cannot be bothered to figure out who was spying on me for the Stasi. (A friend asked for his file. It just made him angry.) It is just annoying if the "new situation" claims to be so much superior and has in fact so many dark secrets as well. Just look at the reaction when Bruce Springsteen and David Grohl were singing John Fogerty's (CCR) "Fortunate Son" last night. Fogerty was a drafted soldier in Vietnam.. But it is easier to drone about the man who were fighting for our freedom. E.g. in Gallipoli which is a thousand miles away from British soil and half the Earth from Australia. Unfortunately the majority is still attracted to mindless droning. That's why most politicians are using slogans instead of arguments. So to speak: These days I can (still?) voice my dissent openly. But it does not change a lot. And this mail was much too long in an age were the average attention span is 140 characters;-) Regards Peter ------- “Yeah, some folks inherit star spangled eyes They send you down to war, Lord And when you ask them, “How much should we give?” They only answer, more, more, more. “It ain’t me, it ain’t me, I ain’t no Senator’s son. It ain’t me, it ain’t me, I ain’t no fortunate one.” John Fogerty (CCR) 1969

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Opposing marriage equality
by Michael Scott 13 Nov '14

13 Nov '14

> I assume you're referring to Westboro Baptist "Church". I don't know what > > you are referring to in "FRC". > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council > > Never heard of them > > If so, WBC are crackpots and I don't agree with ANYTHING they say or do. > > They may refer to themselves as "Christians" but they are not, because > they > > do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. They are not followers of > > Christ, ergo not Christians. > > That's what the WBC say about all other Christians... ;) > > Citation please. Goes to show what crackpots they are.

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Opposing marriage equality
by Russell Coker 12 Nov '14

12 Nov '14

http://m.newnownext.com/mia-talerico-five-year-old-star-of-good-luck-charli… This shows the character of those people. -- Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 with K-9 Mail.

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Re: [luv-talk] kfreebsd dropped as an official release architecture for Debian Jessie
by Peter Ross 10 Nov '14

10 Nov '14

From: "Andrew McGlashan" <andrew.mcglashan(a)affinityvision.com.au> > On 10/11/2014 5:30 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: >> # We discussed kfreebsd at length, but are not satisfied that a >> # release with Jessie will be of sufficient quality. We are dropping >> # it as an official release architecture, though we do hope that the >> # porters will be able to make a simultaneous unofficial release. >> >> So there we go. > > Wow, so the "Lennart Poettering Linux" is the future then, with BTRFS too. > > So sorry about the way things have turned out. Looks like FreeBSD > direct will be the way forward for so many now. Maybe a "saner" way anyway. pkgng has caught up with other package system and is not the pain it was. I do not see good reasons to run a Debian ecosystem on top of a FreeBSD kernel. With the "heart" of the distributions (and systemd is more than init and we do not even now what it is) under a control of a small team which is more or less run by Red Hat, Linux distributions will be as open as.. say OpenSolaris. Anyway, Open Source and GPL is "twisted" quite often in the Linux environment anyway. E.g. look at the Android phones and tablets. The spirit of the GPL was violated so countless times that it is probably not really working as we hoped ca. 20 years ago. So I do not see BSD licensing as a real problem. Regards Peter

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Re: [luv-talk] Libs/Labs and other politics, statistics and myths
by Lev Lafayette 10 Nov '14

10 Nov '14

On Fri, November 7, 2014 9:06 pm, Michael Scott wrote: > > If you are a biblical Christian, it is quite clear what Christians > believe about same sex relationships and about marriage. Like I said, you are thoroughly entitled to your religious beliefs. Just don't impose them on other people. Don't believe in same-sex marriage? Fine, don't have one. > There are Baptists and there are "Baptists". Secular Baptism is very much a result of the persecution that Baptists suffered under the Christian governments not of their denomination. > To tell me that "as a Christian" is not a legitimate claim is to > misunderstand what a Christian is. What is a "secular Christian"? A > Christian is one who believes and trusts in Jesus Christ. A "secular > Christian" just doesn't make sense. Of course it does, and that is why the overwhelming majority of Christians are secularists as well. A secular position is not an anti-religious one. It stands for the freedom of religion and the freedom from religion. It's about civil administrations taking a position of religious agnosticism; providing neither opposition nor benefit to religious institutions and treating them the same as any other group. It simple means that recognition that secular governance on Earth is based on evidence available to all, and is thus different to the eternal governance of the heavens. > Do we have to get into this argument again, just because Russell chooses > to bring it up again? I'm choosing to bring it up as well, as are you apparently. -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GradCertTerAdEd (Murdoch), GradCertPM, MBA (Tech Mngmnt) (Chifley) mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

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Re: [luv-talk] Mangling - found a gem
by Peter Ross 10 Nov '14

10 Nov '14

G'day, From: "Slav Pidgorny(GPM)" <slav.pidgorny(a)anz.com> >> On Behalf Of Peter Ross >> Of course, everything about the NSA is overblown. I just wonder why >> Assange and Snowden are not living peacefully at home. > > I admit that mental jump from NSA to Snowden and Assange is not as long as > that from systemd to NSA. Yet I was still wondering about systemd: are you > suggesting it's created as a back door to your system? > > And I don't like looking for hidden motives. That applies to Assange, > Snowden and systemd equally. "Hidden" is a lot these days. We just passed some "security laws" which prevents journalists from reporting about the ASIO. They could pay with 10 years of prison for reporting "on special missions" even if they do not know that it is one. The minister responsible for the laws even tells us it has nothing to do with journalism. The AFP threatens with more raids like the one in September (800 policemen and one person charged) it's like the Commis under the bed, just the Muslims these days. We cannot afford health care or education but a war.. well, isn't it nice to have another one? It did not work 1991, it did not work 2002 and there is no evidence that it works this time. But it makes money, a lot. 50 years ago the Americans bombed the Vietnamese back into stone age, these days we do it in the Middle East. Don't talk, don't report. The refugees are an ugly side effect. Just hide them. Let them go mad or commit suicide. All good. We have the camps without the gas chambers. Nature and time kills too, we do not have to do that. We are civilized. It's all very human, just as Theresienstadt. Or send them back for more torture as we do it with refugees from Afghanistan. Don't talk, don't report. In a meanwhile spy agencies are completely uncontrolled and infiltrated every piece of IT infrastructure. The spying on _all_ citizens is outperforming the East German Stasi by miles. And don't wonder why we love the cloud and put everything on servers but do not encrypt. Even if we could. And the most respectable community based GNU/Linux distribution gets hijacked by a team from a company so the foundation of the system comes completely under the control of a monoculture so you cannot escape it. Written by people who practically do not care about anything which is valued by the Linux/Unix community for nearly 50 years. Trustworthy like second hand car dealers. Nothing to report, all good.. Until now I have not needed many "hidden" motifs. "Widely ignored" describes it better. Good night Peter

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