August 2015 - luv-main

laptop sleep on closing lid
by Brian May 16 Aug '15

16 Aug '15

Hello, I have a Thinkpad carbon X3 2015 model, which I am pretty happy with. As of several days ago, it no longer sleeps when I close the lid with Gnome. The trigger was moving to Brisbane, in Melbourne it was fine. Hasn't come good since moving back to Melbourne however. If I manually type in "sudo systemctl start systemd-suspend" then it goes to sleep fine. So I suspect this isn't the typical issue of suspend not working, it is more like suspend isn't even getting triggered. Looking at /var/log/auth.log I see events being generated by systemd-login for "Lid closed" and "Lid opened" - how do I debug why these aren't getting turned into sleep events? It is possible this problem come about as a result of upgrading from a 4.0 kernel to a 4.1 kernel, however I couldn't get get reproducible results under 4.0. As in if I make a random change to the system, it can start working and after a reboot it stops working. Thanks

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BSD
by Russell Coker 09 Aug '15

09 Aug '15

Peter, you've made a number of posts recently about your perception of problems in Linux when compared to BSD. I think that it would be useful for the LUV membership if you could run a training session about BSD at the Beginner SIG. Maybe help people through installation on laptops that they bring in, maybe do an installation on desktop machines there (Lev can we do this?), and do VM images. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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Re: laptop sleep on closing lid
by zlinw＠mcmedia.com.au 07 Aug '15

07 Aug '15

On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 22:21:53 Mark Trickett <marktrickett(a)gmail.com> said, >Thank you for this response. It contains most of what I will need when I >do an install of Jessie. One query, what window managers have you tried >without systemd, and what you find particularly good or bad. For myself, >I find the older desktop metaphor more effective and productive. I am running testing, it was "upgraded" to systemd without my knowledge sometime back. Systemd was removed and replaced with sysv with a procedure. identical to what Rick has writen. Note, at the time I did not know that "better" init systems exist. I will have to give some of them a look. Anyway from what I have read I think you will find most windowmanagers other than Gnome will be OK. I run FVWM, the standard config is ___VERY___ basic but there are much better configs around. With FVWM there is almost nothing you cannot do with it, as long as one has time to work through the (text based) config files, not for the faint of heart, but one can get it to do exactly what one wants. Using Linux since mid 1993, Lindsay

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Re: laptop sleep on closing lid
by zlinw＠mcmedia.com.au 06 Aug '15

06 Aug '15

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:40:56 Rick Moen said, >Quoting Mark Trickett (marktrickett(a)gmail.com) >> I noted that it is possible to put openrc on Debian 8. I shall need to >> do a bit of research. Some notes from you and/or Rick Moen would be very >> appreciated. >apt-get install openrc >Reboot. >apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd >Note that said command will remove.............. Lots of good stuff omitted Much thanks for this its most apreciated, it actually closely matchs another doc I found on the net about replacing systemd in debian but in Ricks version has vastly more info on other packages involved. Just a minor point, if required this writer would have no hesitation in looking at recompiling bsdutils and util-linux if it was required. I personally think Debian is insane in using systemd its entirely anti unix. Using Linux for 22 years (how time flies), Lindsay

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An invite from Free Software Melbourne.
by Scott Junner 06 Aug '15

06 Aug '15

Free Software Melbourne is holding a very special workshop and we want to invite the members of Linux Users Victoria to join in. We're going to show people how they can get involved in contributing to free software projects. A lot of people say they want to contribute, but they don't really know how to get started. What they could really do, how they could be useful. So we decided we'd do something about it. Get them started. Get them over the line. We'd be very grateful if you could forward this invite on to your members. We think there are likely people among them who would be interested. All the details for the event, and the place to register and pay ($25 to cover venue costs and lunch etc.) can be found at http://freesoftware.org.au/melbourne/contribute-to-free-software-and-open-s… Have a great time. And we hope to see some of your there. Scott Junner Vice President, Free Software Melbourne.

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Re: laptop sleep on closing lid
by Craig Sanders 06 Aug '15

06 Aug '15

On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 06:35:10PM +1000, ed chan wrote: > I tried this change on my eee701 pc which I used as a gateway machine at my 701 died a few months ago...i was using it as a wireless AP. > home and it works ( closing the lid does not suspend the netbook. ). It was > an annoying problem that started once I installed Ubuntu 14.04 server on > the device. > > Now it works. > > Thank you very much. You're welcome, i'm glad somebody found the info useful. btw, don't let an upgrade replace logind.conf or it will go back to the default. i forgot oncw and allowed logind.conf to be replaced while running an apt-get dist-upgrade over ssh and it immediately shutdown (suspended) the laptop again. craig -- craig sanders <cas(a)taz.net.au>

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Re: ADSL problems
by Mark Trickett 05 Aug '15

05 Aug '15

Hello Andrew, You rail against Telstra, but where I am, there is zero choice. For mobile coverage, there are a few Telstra black spots where Optus has coverage, but far more of the reverse. I am cursing Telstra as there is ADSL either side of me, by something like four kilometers at the closest. My copper pair is about 1,000 meters to the base of a mobile phone tower, where there is ISDN equipment, but not ADSL. It used to be a very poor quality 11 plus kilometers to the nearest exchange, but now straight to fiber at the base of the mobile phone tower. Add to that that NBNCo is not due to pass here for quite some time, and that my mobile looses signal every now and then, sometimes when dry, not just wet foliage. When NBNCo take over the copper network, Telstra/Big Pond will no longer do dial up, and I will be forced to go 3G (that is the best the tower will support) on Big Pond. At least that way over contract gigabytes will be speed shaped, rather than an extra ten dollars for each over plan gigabyte that is the Telstra plan. Think about what it will take to get a DVD .ISO, currently not possible on my dial up. I am fortunate that I can visit a local friend with ADSL now and then for some updates and .ISO images. Think about what it would be like trying to cope with the Windows Updates pushed out without warning. I do not think much of Telstra, but that the other majors are even worse. Taking an on topic point, have you ever heard of being able to activate a USB modem under Linux? I gather many, even most, can be used, after activation, but the activation requires Windows, with a vague nod to Apple. I have even seen trouble, quite a few years back, with a Windows Netbook, one of the early ones that was also available with Linux. It belonged to a German national who brought it with him, and he had enormous trouble getting activation of anything. He even grabbed an update or two on a USB stick, and still did not work. As to reading any replies, that depends on the status of Telstra's modem pool, whether they answer, and whether they will let me log in, then whether the networking is functional. I suspect that there may be a problem with resetting and being ready when a Windows user just drops the line rather than logging out. However I have had it cut me off well under the ten hours that any one session may run up to, the dropping the connection happening from their end. They appear to not be looking after in this last time window before dropping the service. Regards, Mark Trickett

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Re: ADSL problems
by zlinw＠mcmedia.com.au 05 Aug '15

05 Aug '15

On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:26:20 Andrew McGlashan said, Linz's comment first, hope do not mind me saying this................ >If Telstra wasn't so hell bent on milking every consumer [of any type] >for as much as they can and if they cared about keeping our network up >to world standards without super premium pricing, well .. I might be >able to support them. Whilst they continue to extort far too much for >their product, they don't deserve ANY support and will remain the last >bastion of hope for those unfortunate enough to actually need to rely >upon them. You appear not have understood what Mark was saying, in most rural Australia one simply has no choice, you have Telstra or nothing. As far as I am concerned these other Telco's you are defending are as guilty of gouging the public as Telstra, as they will ____ONLY____ provide services where they can get a large return on as small an outlay as possible. Telstra's performance is poor, but at last its there you mostly cannot get support from anyone else. I am somewhat luckier than Mark as my rural house is just below a hill that has both Telstra and another carriers (Optus) mobile towers on it so I can get a half decent although from in town standards very expensive fast internet (I use Virgin), even then its NOT reliable. The nearest town around 5 kilometres away has both ASDL and fixed radio, neither of these will reach me. NBN will not be availible at my location for at least another couple of years and then it will be via satelite. Note: I am not complaining just making a point. services will _____ALWAYS______ be poorer in rural areas, something most town and city folk do not always understand, one lives in such an area to get a quite life. Lindsay

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adsl problems
by bnis＠fastmail.fm 02 Aug '15

02 Aug '15

I am unable to get my Telstra adsl working. I'm trying to upgrade from dial-up and I thought I did a lot of research, but I have failed to get anywhere with the adsl and I need help. The adsl unit is a Technicolor modem/router TG799vac. I hooked it up and the lights flashed but the Status and Internet lights remained red. I tried to get into the unit with firefox and midori but both failed to reach the modem's address http://10.0.0.138 which is the address on the unit. I am running network.service and it's up. The config for my ethernet connection which goes into the ethernet socket on the modem is: [ben@til network-scripts]$ cat ifcfg-enp63s0 TYPE=Ethernet BOOTPROTO=none DEFROUTE=yes IPV4_FAILURE_FATAL=no IPV6INIT=no NAME=enp63s0 UUID=6479f67e-53e7-4953-a796-cf3d3f770b2f ONBOOT=yes HWADDR=00:1E:0B:2C:8E:22 PEERDNS=yes PEERROUTES=yes IPADDR=192.168.0.3 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 USERCTL=yes NM_CONTROLLED=no PREFIX=24 This config was part of my home network and I didn't change it before I plugged everything in and powered up. I tried to make a route to the modem with: #route add default gw 10.0.0.138 but I get "network is unreachable" but 'systemctl -a |grep network' shows network service loaded and active. So, I'm stuck. In my research before hand I came across many posts saying: "just plug it in, use the browser to configure it and off you go." I did get comfort from that, but my experience is of failure. What can I do to get this modem working? My distro is fedora 22 and I don't run a desktop, just a window manager and am used to doing most things on the command line. -- Thanks. ben bnis(a)fastmail.fm

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