March 2018 - luv-talk

Re: [luv-talk] Reading the Bible
by Rick Moen 15 Mar '18

15 Mar '18

Quoting Trent W. Buck (trentbuck(a)gmail.com) > Nitpick: eu-angelos-izo (good-message-er) requires neither persuasion > nor religion; Pheidippides was an evangelist for the victory at > Marathon. Sure, OK. I do know my Herodotus, Trent, but I believe the meaning of the Greek word _as adopted into English_ is as I indicated. (I am not a Greek scholar, so I bow to you about my questionable translation. ;-> ) > Granted your explanation holds for sense #2, but you were talking > about the root :-) Fair cop. ;-> > >> Christians are INSTRUCTED to evangelise, [...] > > [...] > > I had a quick look for a biblical mandate, but the only cite I could > find was Carey quoting an instruction from Jesus to his apostles > (first-order followers). Maybe the commutativity is implicit? I was wondering about that, myself!

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Re: [luv-talk] English [was: Reading the Bible]
by Trent W. Buck 15 Mar '18

15 Mar '18

Mike Hewitt via luv-talk wrote: > Similar too for the use of English language : one point could be > that when you read, or hear, sentences in 'english' you could take > them literally or guess at the meaning and then you get shot for > 'picking' wrongly. Common mistakes, which caused me to re-read > paragraphs are : singular plural confusion when addressing groups {a > group may contain one or many elements but it is a single item} > subject and object are often not clear : The cat sat on the mat. It > is wet. => so what is wet? cat or mat? FYI, that also has tense confusion. You typically want one of The cat sat on the mat. It was wet. The cat sits on the mat. It is wet. Re plural agreement, an error I often encounter is A bag of words are a method for ... which should be A bag of words is a method for ... ...because the copula plurality must agree with "bag of words" (i.e. "bag"), not "words". By far the most common source of problems seems to be adpositions, though, because they usually don't have any logic to them, and they're different in different languages, so you simply have to memorize. For example, I rode IN a car I rode ON a bus Is the difference because historically, car(riages) were enclosed and (omni)buses were not? :-) In English we "dream about X", in Spanish we "dream with X", &c &c

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Re: [luv-talk] Reading the Bible
by Rick Moen 14 Mar '18

14 Mar '18

Quoting russell(a)coker.com.au (russell(a)coker.com.au) > On Wednesday, 14 March 2018 10:45:34 PM AEDT Trent W. Buck wrote: > > Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote: > > > https://www.politicalorphans.com/the-article-removed-from-forbes-why-white > > > -evangelicalism-is-so-cruel/ This article explains why most Americans > > > don't read the Bible. > > > > AFAICT, it doesn't explain any such thing. Can you clarify your assertion? > > Because the Bible doesn't support racism. Russell Coker Hand-Waving Lazy Mostly-Non-Sequiturs, number 34 in an ongoing series. Here, I think I can help you out: You might mean, Americans who still embrace slavery-descended racism, not exclusively but characteristically living in the former Confederacy, have at least a cognitive-dissonance reason to avoid reading the Bible and thus encountering the intellectual tradition of real (as opposed to evangelical) Christianity, in that they would encounter the Biblical (New Testament) admonishments towards helping the afflicted and poor, being called to serve and protect the least among us, etc., etc. In this narrative, one would note, as did the article's author, that even the Baptist Church in the 1800s United States split right down the middle, sometimes violently, over support of versus opposition towards slavery, with the mainline Baptists becoming (in some cases) heroically opposed to slavery, and the Southern Baptists being apologists, a sorry legacy the latter have never entirely repudiated and continues to poison them and other evangelicals. There are, however, lots of problems with this wowzer-like narrative. One of the biggest is that it's completely erroneous to claim that the Bible doesn't support racism. Moreover, it's also erroneous to claim that it doesn't support _slavery_. A couple of thousands of years of Biblical exegisis have found _plenty_ of support in the Bible for both. Admittedly, the lion's share of that is found by parsing passages in the Old Testament rather than the New, but you _did_, sir, say 'Bible', not Gospels -- with the result that your argument disintegrates upon even cursory examination. My mother's family were involved in this very matter, peripherally, because they were in the Kansas Territory (and then the State of Kansas), that was first an early battleground over slavery around 1850 and then among the most militantly anti-Confederacy states on the Union side of the American Civil War from 1861 to 1865. As Kansans, some of my mother's folk conducted disputations with South-leaning apologists trying to justify slavery. And, it turned out, one of the cornerstones of the opposition's stance was its contention that slavery is glorified and institutionalised in the Bible. And they were not wrong. Seriously. It starts right away with Abraham, deemed in Christianity (and Judaism) the 'father of faith'. Genesis 21:9-10 shows him owning slaves, and God has no objection whatsoever. Genesis 9:25-28 has Ham's son Canaan being made a slave to his brothers. Again, this is accepted as natural. In Exodus 20:10 and 20:17, commonly called the Ten Commandments, slavery is mentioned in passing by God twice. Obviously, the grumpy guy in the clouds has no objection to it. Hey, how about the New Testament? Wasn't the coming of the Gospel supposed to replace the Law of Moses and renew it? OK, then it's problematic that in Ephesians 6:5-8, Saul of Tarsus ('Saint Paul') commands slaves to obey their masters. Then, in Philemon 12-16, that same asshole, Saul of Tarsus yclept 'Saint Paul' writes to say he's returning a runaway slave named Philemon to his master. But you're convinced that the Bible doesn't support racism. {boggle} Maybe, Russell, instead of saying the problem is that Americans don't read the Bible, you should concentrate on that beam in your eye, rather than trying to point to motes in the eyes of my countrymen. (That's a reference from Matthew 7:3-5, in case you are too Bible-ignorant to understand my sarcasm.) > My observation is that non-Christians know the Bible better than Christians. We do indeed. But the rest of what you said is dead wrong, and you really ought to know better _or_, perhaps, cease pontificating about matters you know nothing whatsoever about.

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Fw: 50th Steamfest all long weekend
by David E Payne 12 Mar '18

12 Mar '18

The Melbourne Steam Traction Engine Club's http://www.melbournesteam.com.au/steamfest.html is on again (50th time) this long weekend at 1200 Ferntree Gully Rd, Scoresby, Melbourne. According to another part of the website, the museum is also open for viewing each Sat & Sun 11am-4pm except in the Christmas - New Year period. And engines are operated on rundays on the last Sunday of each month (except december).

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Kali Linux
by Rohan McLeod 09 Mar '18

09 Mar '18

For the subset of those who read my emails AND have an interest in that other OS :-) https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/03/05/kali-linux-for-wsl/ regards Rohan McLeod

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Event of interest
by Mark Trickett 07 Mar '18

07 Mar '18

Hello All, I will be at the Lost Trades Fair at the Kyneton racecourse this coming weekend. There will be a lot of demonstrators of various older crafts and skills, many still relevant in many ways. I will be demonstrating handspinning, taking raw fleece, alpaca on this occasion, in the past sheep wool, and producing a yarn that can be turned into a fabric, by knitting, crocheting, or weaving. If any of you do get there, I will be using a steel framed spinning wheel with a bicycle wheel that my father made for me about 45 years ago. There will be jewellers, a printer with a hand cranked press, stonemasons, armorers, and I remember a fletcher who made arrows. Regards, Mark Trickett

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Commercial Installation of Lineage on Samsung Galaxy SII m/n GT-i9100T ?
by Rohan McLeod 04 Mar '18

04 Mar '18

Commercial installation of Lineage on Samsung Galaxy SII m/n GT-i9100T ? Just in case anyone knows; I would like to replace the device's current OS (Android 4.1.2); which was locked to OPTUS, though subsequently it has been unlocked to the extent it can now be put , on a Telstra account , but still retains the the OPTUS ensignia. I missed the recent meeting where help was being provided to do a Lineage instal; and am wondering if there are establishments (cough, cough) where I can have this done commercially ? Currently I have a lot of projects with higher priority and previous attempts using the many online 'recipes', have all been unsuccessful (very frustrating to as they all advertise themselves as 'really simple', but when you read the fine print and discover the hidden software/ technical dependencies they prove anything but !) Back ground history to this device is it is something I have been playing with on and off for a couple of years; trying to make it useable gradually deleting 'apps' with the help of "Kingroot"and occasionally needing to start again, with a factory reset. Recently I had a look around for some 'apps' using my desktop and I suddenly realized just how, much I was being corralled into Google-store and Samsung Apps......apparently by Android My aversion to Google started when I discovered they were essentially demanding a known IP; in order to 'allow' me access to my own gmail account (this I proved when I tried logging on via Tor) Subsequently I have closed all google accounts , replacing gmail and google-drive with vfemail and cloudup; which are both accessible via Tor. It seems to me power really does corrupt; in the assumption of inequitable self serving entitlement ! First there was IBM, then Microsoft now Google ! regards Rohan McLeod

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