November 2014 - luv-talk

Re: [luv-talk] Action Needed: What we can do to stop the data retention bill in the next few days
by Peter Ross 06 Nov '14

06 Nov '14

From: "Davor Balder" <dbalder(a)ozemail.com.au> > I believe there are some relatively small political forces that would be > greatly affected by this issue (the Pirate Party?). There could be other > similar groups. The Pirate Party has unfortunate name, in my opinion. The Greens, amongst others? http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/category/issues-tags/data-retention "The Australian Greens, the Liberal Democratic Party and Senator Nick Xenophon have teamed up to hold an event in Parliament House during the next Senate sitting week to step up the campaign against the Government’s proposed mandatory data retention legislation." Maybe, in general, people in Australia should be more inclined to listen to arguments than "Liberals are good for the economy", "Greens are extremists" and make some effort to figure out what they really get and vote for. It's on the same level than "my" consultants inconsulting me that Microsoft is standard and Oracle a tiny fringe company nobody bothers to work with. And Linux is a "strange thing" anyway. Just avoid it. Regards Peter

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Re: [luv-talk] Action Needed: What we can do to stop the data retention bill in the next few days
by Peter Ross 06 Nov '14

06 Nov '14

From: "Michael Scott" <luv(a)inoz.net> > I don't like Dennis Napthine and I don't like the policies of the current > Victorian government, but the Labor governments have been terrible. Their > policies are, on the surface, "wonderful", but are generally unfunded, > except by deficit budgets, funded by increasing debt. Of course it is much better management if Liberals: - Get elected with the promise to support the Metro Rail Tunnel - Drops it after the Minister for Racing becomes the Premier (the one that not even bothers to declare his investment in horses properly) - Gets the East West Link "planed" so all "consultations" are done before the plans are finalized - Cannort show us good reasons, business plan deliberately hidden, "second river crossing" advertised (where please?) and "27 minutes time savings' (when travel at peak times takes 21 minutes now) - Runs into legal hurdles because of the shoddy planning - Signs a billion dollars contract weeks before the election promising the consortium hundred millions of "refund" if the process cannot be cleared in court (and the opposition may cancel this bull-shit project after a likely election win) - "Rediscovers" the Metro Rail Tunnel - Ignores five years of planning and changes the routes completely because something needs to be advertised (there is an election coming!) - Has to find out that it collides with billion dollar investments in development of high risers http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/fishermans-bend-rail-rerouting-runs-into-… That's management! In the mean time Baillieu and Naphtine killed all investment in wind and solar energy. This contributes to the rise in unemployment with the highest rate (13% I think) in Naphtine's electorate. Amongst others there was a company building rotors for wind turbines that closed down. I call that "good way of running an economy"! I don't know whether Liberals were any good in history but this lot is a corrupt and greedy bunch of village idiots. The only qualification: The work for the rich. Last time I checked it was a Labor government which helped Australia to avoid a recesssion during the Global Financial Crisis. The only developed country world wide which avoided this. Just all sing after Rupert Murdoch and The Hun: Liberals are goods for the economy Liberals are good for the economy Liberals are good .. for me! Hallelujah! Peter

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Action Needed: What we can do to stop the data retention bill in the next few days
by Aryan Ameri 05 Nov '14

05 Nov '14

So I went to three Victorian Labor Senators' offices and my local MP's office today to talk about data retention. I decided that instead of just ranting online, I should do something about it, however insignificant it might be in the long run. So I drafted a nice one-page letter where I summarily talked about the problems I see with the bill that's been introduced to Parliament: the privacy and civil rights aspect, the data security and potential breach, the lack of definition of metadata in the bill and potential for scope creep, and the cost of the scheme. Writing emails and signing online petitions doesn't do anything. Politicians get lots of them and they get ignored all the time. They are however not used to having someone call them on the phone, or better yet, having someone enter their offices. It was very clear to me that the staff at these offices are not used to having people coming into their office to talk about issues. They were all initially taken aback, but once they got over their surprise and they realised that I was there to talk about a legitimate issue, their demeanor changed and they treated me very politely and respectfully. I might say a couple of them even enjoyed talking to another voter about a real policy issue. In Senator Kim Carr and Senator Conroy's offices, I briefly talked about the issue with a staff member and handed my letter to them. In Senator Gavin Marshall's office I got to sit down and had a very interesting and insightful chat with a political advisor. He told me that the ALP hasn't yet made a stance on the issue, but in real politics, it's going to be very hard to make the argument against these "national security" bills. I can more than understand that argument, but the point that I made was that there are those of us who care about this issue, and even though we might not be as loud as the Herald Sun, we do exist and we vote. Likewise at my local MP Tim Watts' office I sat down with a staff member who took the time to listen to me and took notes. In every case, I can say that being there in person made a huge difference. It made them realise that there are actual people with a name and a face out there who care about this issue. The Labor party currently doesn't have a position on the bill yet. It will come up in their caucus soon and they will vote on it. Right now, the Greens, the Liberal Democrat senator and Nick Xenophon have said that they will vote against the bill. If Labor votes against it, there is a real possibility of stopping this in the Senate. I am going to also call the offices of Jason Clare (Shadow Communications Minister) and Mark Dreyfus (Shadow A.G) These are the key people in the ALP who can sway the caucus one way or the other. I urge you, if you care about this, don't just sit and rant online and then complain about how politicians don't represent you. Find the address or phone number of your local member, and especially the Labor senators from your state, and call them, or go to their office. Have a brief summary of your arguments to hand them once you've spoken with someone. It's not that difficult, and it very well can make a difference. Even if Labor ends up supporting the bill, at least my conscience is clear that I did something. In years to come, at least I can say, I tried.

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