January 2013 - luv-talk

Demuxing an MPEG TS from a USB PVR where the TS is prefixed with invalid data
by Anthony Hogan 16 Jun '13

16 Jun '13

Hi all, I have a TV which has a built in USB record feature (which basically dumps DVB-T MPEG TS in 2GB chunks). I'd like to pull the audio track out of something I recorded. VLC happily plays the file and identifies the video, audio and EPG info in the transport stream, but if, for example, I run: avconv -i ... -acodec copy audio.mp3 ... I end up with about 2 seconds of silence. It seems there's a couple of dummy streams and also that the overall file is prefixed with what looks like null garbage. I know that if vlc can play it, there's gotta be a way of extracting it, but must admit that I haven't had any luck thus far. Any ideas on recommended tools for stubborn MPEG TS demuxing? Anthony

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Remote controlling an Android 4.2.1 device
by Anthony Hogan 19 Apr '13

19 Apr '13

Hey folks, Anyone use an Android remote control solution? Not using Android to remote control something else, but another device to control Android? Preferably over WiFi.. I've used Airdroid and SSHDroid to do file, SMS etc. access, but looking for something that'll provide remote GUI access. There are a few things about that I found, but some seem to be rather old and unmaintained, of dubious background (not many reviews etc.). One even suggested "chmod 777" on one of the Android system areas... Uh.. NO.. How do you folks go about remote control of Android devices? Anthony

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Dial-up modems anyone?
by Duncan Roe 04 Feb '13

04 Feb '13

Hi guys, I have 4 or 5 33Kb Maestro dial-up modems curently destined for the next hard rubbish collection. I think at least one was upgraded to 56Kb. Can anyone suggest a better home / charity / recycling outfit for these? Cheers ... Duncan. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

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Re: [luv-talk] remote list of changed files
by Russell Coker 03 Feb '13

03 Feb '13

On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan(a)affinityvision.com.au> wrote: > Whilst I did learn a thing or two with this thread, thank you very much, > I am astounded that you can seem to have no trouble reading Wikipedia > articles to attack people, but you can't seem to read a man page? Andrew, your problem is that you seem to believe that there are no facts and that anyone who disagrees with you is attacking you personally and rejecting your opinion. However in the real world there are facts and we should all try to discover them not just make things up. Wikipedia is really easy to read, that's one advantage of having lots of people read and edit it. A common difficulty with Unix man pages is that the terms which are used by the program differ from the plain English terms that some users use, this makes a search of the man page unlikely to find the desired answer. A man page which is more than 3000 lines long is difficult to read at the best of times, the rsync man page is about the length of a 9 page magazine article! Also you don't get to criticise people for having "trouble reading" after you cited a conspiracy theory site and said "I'm not going to verify it's correctness or otherwise, please don't ask me to". If you aren't going to try to verify that your references are correct (or even sane) then you have no right to criticise anyone else. > It's not the first time something so basic about a Linux tool or > operation has escaped your vast experience and that really surprises me. Linux and the software which runs on it is actually very complex. No-one can know everything about how it works. For example when I was at university I spent dozens of 8 hour days reading man pages to learn about Unix (mostly Solaris and HP-UX) and still only learned a fraction of it (I did have professors and post-grad students start asking me for advice on Unix issues though). > The other most significant oversight from you was the checkarray > processing of software RAID. Just the same, interesting, I'm sure you > are a very knowledgeable Linux user, but sometimes I just wonder in > total amazement. If you want to demonstrate your skill then you could try answering questions on the main LUV list. You could offer to give lectures on topics that you know well. You could write blog posts which teach people about things related to Linux and have them syndicated on Planet Linux Australia. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

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Lift to Melbourne Available on Saturday
by Daniel Jitnah 31 Jan '13

31 Jan '13

Hi All, I have a seat available in my car to Melbourne on Saturday after LCA. Leave around 1pm arrive late evening. Travel along Hume Share fuel cost (~$30) and driving if possible. Call/txt me on 0413 082 049 or email back asap. Cheers Daniel

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Of climate skeptics funding
by Mark Trickett 29 Jan '13

29 Jan '13

Hello All, Just found, via G+, a link to an article about the finances of the climate change denial organisations. One major source is Koch Industries, who are heavily involved in the fossil fuel industry. They are funneling it through a "charitable" fund, getting tax deductability, and anonymity. The approaches are very similar to what the Tobacco industry tried, denial of real effects, and puppet "independent" voices. http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/exclusive-billionai… Still seeing "quibbles" that the science is in dispute, but that is only from paid mouthpieces, and others out of their fields of expertise. I do not have the knowledge and skills to do the original work, but what I learnt from my Engineering degree does provide the necessary grounding to comprehend the reality of climate change. You can speed and if the police do not catch you, they do not charge you. The laws of physics are far more watchful, you cannot break them. The wealthy fail to realise that the human rules can be bent, at least temporarily, but that the real world of physics and the laws of thermodynamics are not to be fooled. Unfortunately, they have less wealthy supporters who are severely misled and fail to have open minds. The planet will continue to exist, and to circle the sun, but what life will continue is debatable. For those here who disbelieve, consider the example of Venus, that is the effect of an atmosphere that traps more heat. It verifies the effects of CO2. The issue on earth is the increasing concentration. Things were stable, but we have "kicked" an otherwise stable system rather hard. There is evidence of the change, if you really want even more incontrovertible, then it will be more than past time to be able to correct things. There are other gases and soot that we are pumping into the atmosphere that have even bigger effects than CO2, some that will stay there longer, some that will wash out quickly. The US Geological Service has done a valid assessment of the effect of volcanoes, and they are not small, but compared to the effects of billions of people, they are small beer. For those here who would dispute this, if you really have an open mind, then read the material that puts the case. if you will not consider, then stop claiming to have an open mind. Regards, Mark Trickett

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headless PMP recommendations
by Trent W. Buck 27 Jan '13

27 Jan '13

The battery in my PMP is dying, and as it's not user-servicable, I'm looking to replace the whole PMP. It was an IBM freebie, so I can't just buy the same unit again (nor is its USB device ID informative). I'm after recommendations that will meet the following requirements -- they basically describe my old device. - can walk into a local store and buy it. IOW not a DIY project and not "order online from <some gizmo site>". - MUST play MP3s (yes, opus/speex/flac/tremor would be nice, but I doubt they're available in commodity hardware). - MUST have 3.5mm headphone audio out. - SHOULD charge over USB. - MUST last at least 2h playback between charges at time of purchase. SHOULD be a lot more, so that as the battery slowly dies, I don't care. Once it drops below about 40min playback between charges, it becomes useless to me. - SHOULD cost less than A$200. - SHOULD be small and light -- on the order of a couple of USB keys. - SHOULD be headless (no screen). All I need is play/pause/off, next-track, and vol-up/down buttons. If I want to know what I'm listening to, I'll bolt backannouncing into the audio stream. If I want to go to a specific track, I'll plug it into a "real" computer. SHOULD use mechanical (not touchscreen) buttons, so I can skip tracks by hitting next-track through my jacket, rather than having to open it and reach in. - MUST talk to a computer over USB mass storage (or, I guess, simply take an SD or microSD card). I should be able to plug it in, drop a bunch of MP3 files into a folder, and it should just play them. SHOULD play them in the order they hit the disk, so that - streamripper of a radio station into individual MP3s will play them back in the order recorded, so streamripper's unreliable track-edge detection becomes a non-issue; and - a simple cp -a of an album will play it back in track order (because cp will copy the tracks in lexicographic sort order). SHOULD NOT need a magical "index" file for the onboard OS to "see" tracks, as the old gen2 & 4 iPods did. (Anything that needs iTunes or similar is *right out*). MAY use a FAT filesystem. NTFS or HFS+ would actually be an inconvenience for me at present. - if onboard storage (cf. SD card), SHOULD be at least 2GB. The key words (in uppercase) are per RFC 2119. A glance at jbhifi.com turns up a A$52 Sony B-series Walkman which looks close to what I want. Does anyone have experience with it? PS: no, I don't have a cellphone, so I can't use that to play music.

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Bush-fire protection of buildings using external water-spray systems
by Rohan McLeod 23 Jan '13

23 Jan '13

Assembled cognoscenti; it being the bush-fire season my thoughts turned to the practicability of protecting buildings , using external water-spray systems. My thoughts went something like this 1/ If one knows the air temperature , humidity, wind velocity, distance to, and composition and dryness of surrounding bush . 2/ Can't one calculate the radiant heat in KW/m2 impacting on the building ?; and 3/ the likely duration in the event of a bush-fire ? 4/ Can't one then calculate the minimum spray flow in litres / sec and the total volume of water required ? 5/ Can't one then make an informed decision about, whether such a system is physically and financially practical in a particular situation? Because such systems don't seem to receive much attention from media or insurance companies ; I assumed the answer must be that they are usually not practical. So I was somewhat surprised on reading : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_water_spray_system to find: "Issues There is a lack of scientific research regarding EWSS..........." I am contacting the CSIRO because I seem to recall they did something on this years ago; but would be interested in actual research if anyone has come across it ; regards Rohan McLeod

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O'Reilly Open Government, released as part of #PDFtribute
by Rodney Brown 22 Jan '13

22 Jan '13

https://github.com/oreillymedia/open_government (epub, mobi, pdf) (CC BY-NC-ND 3.0) http://radar.oreilly.com/2013/01/open-government-files-released.html We’re releasing the files for O’Reilly’s Open Government book A #PDFtribute to Aaron Swartz. ...

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dns error
by Brian May 17 Jan '13

17 Jan '13

Hello, If I try to resolve oss.trac.sara.nl from work (aarnet), it works. If I try to resolve it from home (internode) it doesn't work. WTF? brian@webby:~$ host -C sara.nl. Nameserver nsauth1.sara.nl: sara.nl has SOA record nsauth1.sara.nl. nic.sara.nl. 2012122001 14400 7200 604800 86400 Nameserver nsauth2.sara.nl: sara.nl has SOA record nsauth1.sara.nl. nic.sara.nl. 2012122001 14400 7200 604800 86400 Nameserver ns2.surfnet.nl: sara.nl has SOA record nsauth1.sara.nl. nic.sara.nl. 2012122001 14400 7200 604800 86400 Maybe this is the reason? brian@webby:~$ host -r -a oss.trac.sara.nl ns2.surfnet.nl Trying "oss.trac.sara.nl" Received 82 bytes from 2001:610:3:200a:192:87:36:2#53 in 332 ms Trying "oss.trac.sara.nl.pri" Using domain server: Name: ns2.surfnet.nl Address: 2001:610:3:200a:192:87:36:2#53 Aliases: Host oss.trac.sara.nl.pri not found: 5(REFUSED) Received 38 bytes from 2001:610:3:200a:192:87:36:2#53 in 334 ms (the other two DNS servers are fine) Thanks -- Brian May <brian(a)microcomaustralia.com.au>

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Re: [luv-talk] dns error
by Tony Langdon 17 Jan '13

17 Jan '13

At 01:06 PM 1/17/2013, Brian May wrote: >Hello, > >If I try to resolveÂ ><http://oss.trac.sara.nl>oss.trac.sara.nl from >work (aarnet), it works. If I try to resolve it >from home (internode) it doesn't work. Works here (I'm on Internode) $ dig oss.trac.sara.nl ; <<>> DiG 9.6-ESV-R4-P3 <<>> oss.trac.sara.nl ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 16066 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;oss.trac.sara.nl. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: oss.trac.sara.nl. 14400 IN CNAME xtrac.osd.sara.nl. xtrac.osd.sara.nl. 3600 IN A 145.100.12.233 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: sara.nl. 7199 IN NS nsauth1.sara.nl. sara.nl. 7199 IN NS ns2.surfnet.nl. sara.nl. 7199 IN NS nsauth2.sara.nl. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns2.surfnet.nl. 208 IN A 192.87.36.2 ns2.surfnet.nl. 208 IN AAAA 2001:610:3:200a:192:87:36:2 ;; Query time: 1166 msec ;; SERVER: 10.69.181.1#53(10.69.181.1) ;; WHEN: Thu Jan 17 16:38:00 2013 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 188 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com

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annual Lego Brickvention is on this Sat 19th & Sun 20th
by David E Payne 16 Jan '13

16 Jan '13

The annual Lego Brickvention is on this Saturday 19th & Sunday 20th at the Royal Exhibition Buildings in Carlton, Melbourne, Australia. Tickets are only available online from http://www.brickventures.org.au/ See also http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/mugs-list/ http://news.lugnet.com/loc/au/ & (NOT WORKING AT THE TIME OF WRITING THIS) www.melbourne-lego.info (I read that the Melbourne City Adventures meet-up are planning to visit at 3:30pm Saturday). Dav(e/id/o/y)

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Re: [luv-talk] Fake Wikipedia entry on Bicholim Conflict finally deleted after five years
by Rick Moen 16 Jan '13

16 Jan '13

Quoting Russell Coker (russell(a)coker.com.au) [...] > One thing that's always annoying is when people make wild claims > offering no evidence at all and then criticise people who reference > Wikipedia. Classic confirmation bias. Obligatory Wikipedia link follows. ;-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias I am still wary about openly editing Wikipedia because of several examples I've seen in the past of well-known open source figure X making Wikipedia edits that then not only were reverted by pseudonymous Wikipedia regulars but then resulted in scurrilous personal attacks carried out by those pseudonymous editors _within_ the pages of Wikipedia upon well-known open source figure X. (The worst case I'm aware of was the really rather vicious lashback against Eric Raymond.) FWIW, when someone created a Wikipedia page about me a few years ago, I marked the article with the Wikipedia:Proposed deletion template (the process for deletion that seemed least likely to raise a backlash of resistance), and put the following note on the Talk page: I am the subject of this article: Rick Moen, rick(a)linuxmafia.com, tel. +1 (1) 650-283-7902. Although not personally a Wikipedian, I'm a friendly observer and frequent user. I'm proposing article deletion through the "Wikipedia:Proposed deletion" process for uncontroversial candidates, for deletion after five days if nobody objects, on WP:N grounds. 1. The data cited in the article do not constitute encyclopaedic notability, as they do not show the "significant coverage in reliable sources" required by WP:N to establish general notability. Within the rather narrow publicity circle of Linux and open source, the article subject (yr. humble servant) has had coverage, but not the _significant_ coverage required. 2. The data cited are severely compromised by transgressing the "independent of the subject" clause of WP:N's general notability guideline, as substantively all of the works cited were not only "produced by those affiliated with the subject", but were written by the subject himself. 3. One of the major data cited is inaccurate in the direction of exaggeration: Yr. humble servant did not "contribute the Linux User Group HOWTO to the Linux Documentation Project", but rather merely assumed maintenance of that document when its actual creator, Kendall Clark, no longer could do so. -- Rick M. On the bright side, subsequent to 2008, it really _does_ seem as if Wikipedia has cracked down quite a bit on abuse of pages to attack living persons. It used to be a big risk, and maybe not so much any more.

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Re: [luv-talk] Fake Wikipedia entry on Bicholim Conflict
by Tim Josling 15 Jan '13

15 Jan '13

Andrew, You said you didn't want to debate global warming, but you then immediately described it as a "myth", thereby provoking the very debate you claimed not to want. > I don't have time, nor the inclination to argue the truth of(sic) otherwise of the global warming / climate change myths. Since then you have raised no valid arguments, and indeed the arguments you did raise would embarrass even thoroughly discredited "sceptics" like Ian Plimer. Evidently you have not invested any effort at all into understanding the issues and the science. With the point about the distance to the Sun you have now ventured irretrievably into self-satire. Perhaps you are trolling, but trolls are supposed to be funny, and you fail even there. Tim Josling > From: Andrew McGlashan Subject: Re: [luv-talk] Fake Wikipedia entry on Bicholim Conflict finally deleted after five years To: luv-talk(a)lists.luv.asn.au Message-ID: <50F0FCA4.9010606(a)affinityvision.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 12/01/2013 4:29 PM, Craig Sanders wrote: > the following relevant excerpt from the Bad Astronomy blog may help you > understand: > > http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/01/02/perihelion_earth_is_clo… I've read that post before, and many similar, nothing changes for me. Did you read that I didn't want to debate this matter? I do not take as gospel truth the information provided by such (web)sites; particularly such sites that so strongly advocate a cause or belief which I personally and strongly believe to be false. Time, in the end, will tell, not any site like you've just presented (yet again). Kind Regards AndrewM

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Bouncing engines
by Allan Duncan 14 Jan '13

14 Jan '13

An engineering problem to exercise the intellect: I have a water pump powered by an air cooled diesel, all mounted in a frame which in turn sits on two skids parallel to the crankshaft. Air cooled diesels are noisy and leap up and down, a lot, and the pump likes to wander around. I wish to make an earthen pad to sit this on, but I would prefer not to tether it to stakes with bungee cords, as keeping a stake in the ground without the use of a concrete pad is iffy. So, what profile should this pad have, bath tub or mound? I think mound is the likely answer, but before I move the dirt I thought I'd throw it open for debate whilst I try searching on line for it.

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Re: [luv-talk] Fake Wikipedia entry on Bicholim Conflict finally deleted after five years
by Rick Moen 12 Jan '13

12 Jan '13

Quoting Russell Coker (russell(a)coker.com.au) > One thing that's always annoying is when people make wild claims offering no > evidence at all and then criticise people who reference Wikipedia. There are much better and saner criticisms one can make of Wikipedia. One is that many pages are crazy-quilt junkyards of maniacal detail-freakery. See xkcd parodies thereof: https://xkcd.com/214/ https://xkcd.com/739/ https://xkcd.com/444/ https://xkcd.com/446/ Another is that some of the articles are pretty much incoherent and utterly fail to cover their subjects -- possibly as a result of camel-like committee editing. (Old saying: A camel is a horse that was designed by a committee.) Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecutor's_fallacy I happen to be a mathematics guy, and a Bayesian, so the really awful explanation at that page really pained me. Here's what I wrote about it on a mailing list: Quoting Terry W. Colvin (fortean1(a)mindspring.com) > Here's some examples of that sort of thing, generally called the > "Prosecutor's Fallacy" > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecutor's_fallacy#Conditional_probability By the way, intending no criticism whatsoever of you or Ray, Terry, but the explanation of that concept at Wikipedia is truly dreadful. I expect most people reading it will think 'Well, it's complex math stuff; I can't expect to understand it.' That's a pity, because it's not that difficult to explain -- I think. I'll have a try at it (borrowing from http://www.dcs.qmul.ac.uk/researchgp/spotlight/legal.html) If you know it's the midnight hour, you can determine the chance that it's dark outside (i.e., pretty certain). If you know it's dark, you can also calculate the likelihood that it's the midnight hour (non-zero but small). The point is that the odds of A given that you know B is NOT THE SAME as the odds of B given that you know A. Take that scenario to court: The prosecutor speaks as if he/she is calculating the odds that the defendent is innocent given the DNA evidence presented (B given knowledge of A). _However_, what he or she actually _presents_ are statistical calculations about how likely the DNA evidence would be present, given that the defendent is innocent (A given knowledge of B). And, the point is, these are just not the same thing at all, and calculating one 'conditional probability' tells you absolutely nothing about the other. In the UK court case mentioned on http://www.dcs.qmul.ac.uk/researchgp/spotlight/legal.html, prosecutors sought conviction of defendent mother Sally Clark (whose two babies had died) by having an expert testify that the probability of two cot deaths occurring in a single family was 1 in 73 million. To restate, the prosecutors presented the odds of two cot deaths in a single family, given that the mother is innocent of murdering them (A given knowledge of B). Unfortunately, that is not a relevant calculation: They needed to calculate the calculate the ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND UNRELATED probability of the mother being innocent of murdering her children, given occurrence of two cot deaths in the family -- B given knowledge of A. (That actually ended up being an extremely unlikely 1 in 2 billion chance, completely the opposite of the picture that prosecutors had painted. Ms. Clark was unjustly convicted based on this entirely bogus probablistic argument. Her convictions were overturned after two appeals, but then quite understandably she then drank herself to death.) Yeah, and now I can anticipate the question: So, Rick, if you think Wikipedia's explanation of the Prosecutor's Fallacy is so wretched and opaque, and you are sure you can do better, why aren't you editing the page? I might. If anyone else wishes to do so, I give my blessing to anyone who wants to borrow any or all of the above.

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Lego now runs Linux
by thelionroars 11 Jan '13

11 Jan '13

I thought this was interesting. Lego's new Mindstorm kits are now running on Linux. Apologies in advance as the presentation of the video may not be to everyone's taste (but I don't mind Darren). From CES 2013. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAQ3g-iW-Ow other links: http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/688254-hackable-lego-robot-… http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/01/08/0149241/lego-announces-gnulinux-po…

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Expect fireworks Saturday night
by David E Payne 10 Jan '13

10 Jan '13

The Chinese & Vietnamese Year of the Snake begins Sunday 13th January & I expect there will be plenty of fireworks despite laws & total fire bans. In my area probably much closer to home than there was during the Gregorian New Year (Daylight Savings Adjusted). That was pretty bad, the bitch next door escaped from a locked shed & came over to hide in our shed!?! After various moving around & close encounters of the first kind between her & my cat and a long period of quiet I eventually left her tied up on the front verandah of her place. When I was on my way to check on her later some jerks let off crackers a few houses away & she leapt over the railing into the garden. If the rope had been shorter she would have hung herself. Is the contribution of crackers to a celebration really worth torturing & terrifying animals including young children?

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Re: [luv-talk] ruby on rails, critical remote exploit
by achalmers＠westnet.com.au 09 Jan '13

09 Jan '13

>Now, does OpenBSD publish a web framework? I doubt that would help .. however: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=style&format=html .. is a damn fine start. ALC

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ruby on rails, critical remote exploit
by Sam Watkins 09 Jan '13

09 Jan '13

Not sure if you all saw this. I'm not on luv-main, I guess it was mentioned there. http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/01/extremely-crtical-ruby-on-rails-bug… Extremely critical Ruby on Rails bug threatens more than 200,000 sites Servers that run the framework are by default vulnerable to remote code attacks. Now, does OpenBSD publish a web framework?

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Re: [luv-talk] New Motherboard/System Selection
by Hiddensoul (Mark Clohesy) 05 Jan '13

05 Jan '13

Hi Andrew On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Andrew Voumard <andrewv(a)melbpc.org.au>wrote: > Hi, > > It's a Cirque PowerCat GDB450 (it's a TouchPad), and no, there is no > Linux driver on their site - but - they did release internals to a > Why not just use a USB to RS232 adaptor like this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/USB-to-RS232-9-Pin-Serial-DB9-Cable-Converter-Ad… I am in no way endorsing this seller or product but he was the first in the list and is just used as an example. Most of them just work with *nix as a serial device and should be transparent to the touchpad protocol as it is just a serial port If that does not work there is always a PCI to Serial port card like this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-RITMO-PCI-TO-DUAL-SERIAL-CARD-CCT25-/1406575… again no endorsement of seller or product just an example > Sorry if I picked the wrong list. I don't know how to switch this to > luv-talk but if it can be done then sure, otherwise continue it there or > here ? > > just change the reply to address when you send the reply from luv-main to luv-talk's address ie luv-talk(a)lists.luv.asn.au -- Mark "Pockets" Clohesy Mob Phone: (+61) 406 417 877 Email: hiddensoul(a)twistedsouls.com G-Talk: mark.clohesy(a)gmail.com - GNU/Linux.. Linux Counter #457297 "I would love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code" "Linux is user friendly...its just selective about who its friends are" What is the quickest way to push* ifconfig down *then* ifconfig up* to 5000 or so workstations? "Power Cycle the building"

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Fake Wikipedia entry on Bicholim Conflict finally deleted after five years
by Andrew McGlashan 04 Jan '13

04 Jan '13

Hi All, For those that think Wikipedia has all the answers and is _the_ resource to quote --- Russell ... anybody else? Fake Wikipedia entry on Bicholim Conflict finally deleted after five years » Consider this another cautionary tale against believing everything you read on Wikipedia, or the Internet in general. Wikipedia's volunteer editors recently removed an elaborate article that purporte... https://plus.google.com/105492284418862345045/posts/7YxKUGcVAFu Cheers -- Kind Regards AndrewM Andrew McGlashan Broadband Solutions now including VoIP Current Land Line No: 03 9012 2102 Mobile: 04 2574 1827 Fax: 03 9012 2178 National No: 1300 85 3804 Affinity Vision Australia Pty Ltd http://affinityvision.com.au http://securemywireless.com.au http://adsl2choice.net.au In Case of Emergency -- http://affinityvision.com.au/ice.html

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Re: [luv-talk] Fake Wikipedia entry on Bicholim Conflict finally deleted after five years
by Trent W. Buck 04 Jan '13

04 Jan '13

Since no one has mentioned it yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia My favourite part is this block quotation: WebMD is the only news source whose coverage of chemical risk is regarded as accurate by a majority (56 percent) of toxicologists, closely followed by Wikipedia's 45 percent accuracy rating. By contrast, only 15 percent describe as accurate the portrayals of chemical risk found in the New York Times, Washington Post, and Wall Street Journal.^[6]

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Retro.asn.au - a special interest group for people who enjoy collecting and playing retro video games
by David E Payne 01 Jan '13

01 Jan '13

If any of you might want to go this meeting if it was on another date I'd suggest you point that out ASAP. But as I can't see a link to email on the website http://retro.asn.au/ I'm Bcc: ing this to a co-convenor. Either he can tell me an email to post (won't be for some days) or he can check luv-talk(a)luv.asn.au for comments or I'll check for comments in a few days. I always recommend groups go for the last *day of the month because sometimes that's the 4th & sometimes the 5th which could mean some folk can get there who otherwise never could. But nearly everyone goes for the first 3 weeks of the month. Dav(e/id/o/y) Will Romney become god of his own universe? www.mormonthink.com

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