The crowdfunding campaign for the Jolla tablet has been launched in the past few hours, and is already 100% beyond its funding goal. In a nutshell, it's an open source OS based on Linux that is also capable of running Android applications. It has some similar specs to an iPad mini and is shipping in May 2015 for around $220. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-t... For those not familiar with Jolla and Sailfish: http://jolla.com/tablet Australia is not included in the countries for shipping, but is the highest voted for in the poll for which countries to add.
On 20/11/2014 8:56 AM, thelionroars wrote:
The crowdfunding campaign for the Jolla tablet has been launched in the past few hours, and is already 100% beyond its funding goal. In a nutshell, it's an open source OS based on Linux that is also capable of running Android applications. It has some similar specs to an iPad mini and is shipping in May 2015 for around $220.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-t...
For those not familiar with Jolla and Sailfish: http://jolla.com/tablet
Australia is not included in the countries for shipping, but is the highest voted for in the poll for which countries to add.
Also, I'm not sure if it is a +ve or a -ve, but this device will be based on Intel Atom. A.
On 20/11/2014 8:56 AM, thelionroars wrote:
The crowdfunding campaign for the Jolla tablet has been launched in the past few hours, and is already 100% beyond its funding goal. In a nutshell, it's an open source OS based on Linux that is also capable of running Android applications. It has some similar specs to an iPad mini and is shipping in May 2015 for around $220.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-t...
For those not familiar with Jolla and Sailfish: http://jolla.com/tablet
Australia is not included in the countries for shipping, but is the highest voted for in the poll for which countries to add.
Australia IS included now! I'm not sure about this device, but it does look promising. Right now, I'm waiting on a OnePlus One, ordered with US address (via Australia Post's new shopmate service). Paid by PayPal after getting an invite on Friday night -- 24 hours to use the invite ... can't wait! When I know that the OnePlus One is in the US and on it's way to me, then I'll think more about this Jolla tablet. Cheers A.
That's great news about Australia and Canada. They've also added stretch goals with 11 days to go - support for up to 128GB SD cards, split screen support and $30 for mobile support. They will probably make at least the first one (SD card). The other interesting thing is they're now offering a 'micro distributor' kit, which is 20 tablets including international shipping at a 30% discount off their expected retail price. US$3500 / (20 * 0.85) ~= AU$206 for a tablet delivered to Melbourne. Perhaps between a few groups like LUV, MLUG and CCHS there might be 20 people interested in doing this. On 25 November 2014 at 08:32, Andrew McGlashan < andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
On 20/11/2014 8:56 AM, thelionroars wrote:
The crowdfunding campaign for the Jolla tablet has been launched in the past few hours, and is already 100% beyond its funding goal. In a nutshell, it's an open source OS based on Linux that is also capable of running Android applications. It has some similar specs to an iPad mini and is shipping in May 2015 for around $220.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-t...
For those not familiar with Jolla and Sailfish: http://jolla.com/tablet
Australia is not included in the countries for shipping, but is the highest voted for in the poll for which countries to add.
Australia IS included now!
I'm not sure about this device, but it does look promising.
Right now, I'm waiting on a OnePlus One, ordered with US address (via Australia Post's new shopmate service). Paid by PayPal after getting an invite on Friday night -- 24 hours to use the invite ... can't wait!
When I know that the OnePlus One is in the US and on it's way to me, then I'll think more about this Jolla tablet.
Cheers A.
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On 29/11/2014 4:26 PM, thelionroars wrote:
That's great news about Australia and Canada. They've also added stretch goals with 11 days to go - support for up to 128GB SD cards, split screen support and $30 for mobile support. They will probably make at least the first one (SD card).
The other interesting thing is they're now offering a 'micro distributor' kit, which is 20 tablets including international shipping at a 30% discount off their expected retail price. US$3500 / (20 * 0.85) ~= AU$206 for a tablet delivered to Melbourne. Perhaps between a few groups like LUV, MLUG and CCHS there might be 20 people interested in doing this.
Not so easy. $3500/0.85 = ~ $AUD4,118 -- and because this is over $1,000 ... the import will add GST at 10% ... now we are at $AUD4,530 approx. Or $AUD226 each -- but then you have 20 units and perhaps a lot more work so it becomes a huge hassle. If you buy direct as a single purchase, then you can have one for $AUD266 ($US206 + $US20 for shipping and then conversion of currency at the same rate above). The extra $AUD40 is probably worth it, just in case there are warranty or other issues -- you also get the possibility of being able to return it within 14 days of delivery [1]. So... unless we get 20 committed people and every one of them definitely wants to keep the end product and there are no warranty issues, then the risks are too great for the "micro distributor". Also, the "micro distributor" will also be liable for Australian Trade Practice related legislation, a risk that I couldn't accept. I am considering buying ONE unit, but even then, that is a risk for all sorts of other reasons; it will be almost like buying a HTC device when there is no guarantee that HTC will be around to support it (software updates/warranty in particular). The 2,000 unit target for the project is miniscule by comparison to other tablet product sales. Replace HTC with say, the HP WebOS tablet... if you like, they were dumped on the market to get rid of stock and there is no support from HP on those going forward. Cheers A. [1] I am not happy with the Tablet, can I return it? You may return the tablet delivered to you within 14 days of receiving it. Please note that return shipping, including any customs or other charges as appliccable, will be borne by the sender. Keep in mind that we only accept returns from ship-to countries supported by the Jolla tablet Indiegogo campaign. To request a return please submit a ticket here. Please indicate clearly in the subject and body of the message “RETURN”, providing any relevant information including contribution number, contribution date and payment method utilized.
I stand corrected :). On 30 Nov 2014 22:23, "Andrew McGlashan" < andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
On 29/11/2014 4:26 PM, thelionroars wrote:
That's great news about Australia and Canada. They've also added stretch goals with 11 days to go - support for up to 128GB SD cards, split screen support and $30 for mobile support. They will probably make at least the first one (SD card).
The other interesting thing is they're now offering a 'micro distributor' kit, which is 20 tablets including international shipping at a 30% discount off their expected retail price. US$3500 / (20 * 0.85) ~= AU$206 for a tablet delivered to Melbourne. Perhaps between a few groups like LUV, MLUG and CCHS there might be 20 people interested in doing this.
Not so easy.
$3500/0.85 = ~ $AUD4,118 -- and because this is over $1,000 ... the import will add GST at 10% ... now we are at $AUD4,530 approx.
Or $AUD226 each -- but then you have 20 units and perhaps a lot more work so it becomes a huge hassle.
If you buy direct as a single purchase, then you can have one for $AUD266 ($US206 + $US20 for shipping and then conversion of currency at the same rate above).
The extra $AUD40 is probably worth it, just in case there are warranty or other issues -- you also get the possibility of being able to return it within 14 days of delivery [1].
So... unless we get 20 committed people and every one of them definitely wants to keep the end product and there are no warranty issues, then the risks are too great for the "micro distributor".
Also, the "micro distributor" will also be liable for Australian Trade Practice related legislation, a risk that I couldn't accept.
I am considering buying ONE unit, but even then, that is a risk for all sorts of other reasons; it will be almost like buying a HTC device when there is no guarantee that HTC will be around to support it (software updates/warranty in particular). The 2,000 unit target for the project is miniscule by comparison to other tablet product sales. Replace HTC with say, the HP WebOS tablet... if you like, they were dumped on the market to get rid of stock and there is no support from HP on those going forward.
Cheers A.
[1] I am not happy with the Tablet, can I return it?
You may return the tablet delivered to you within 14 days of receiving it. Please note that return shipping, including any customs or other charges as appliccable, will be borne by the sender. Keep in mind that we only accept returns from ship-to countries supported by the Jolla tablet Indiegogo campaign.
To request a return please submit a ticket here. Please indicate clearly in the subject and body of the message “RETURN”, providing any relevant information including contribution number, contribution date and payment method utilized.
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Hi all I've been tracking Indiegogo for a while now. Many of the things posted there are rather fanciful, or just plain weird or silly. Tech aspects and ongoing business/funding plans often don't make sense when put under a bit of extra scrutiny. I would be very hesitant tossing money at anything posted there. And I don't think I'd post a project there myself. Not saying all stuff on say Kickstarter is always brilliant, but it appears to get a lot more scrutiny also by the community and in media. Errors in business happen there also but at least they're of the classic variety that can be easily identified. Just my 2c of caution. Cheers, Arjen.
I won't disagree with that as general advice (although I would certainly treat Kickstarter or any other crowd funding the same way), but this is a company that has already delivered a phone to market and that is a world of difference from the average crowdfunding campaign. On 2 Dec 2014 10:26, "Arjen Lentz" <arjen@lentz.com.au> wrote:
Hi all
I've been tracking Indiegogo for a while now. Many of the things posted there are rather fanciful, or just plain weird or silly. Tech aspects and ongoing business/funding plans often don't make sense when put under a bit of extra scrutiny.
I would be very hesitant tossing money at anything posted there. And I don't think I'd post a project there myself.
Not saying all stuff on say Kickstarter is always brilliant, but it appears to get a lot more scrutiny also by the community and in media. Errors in business happen there also but at least they're of the classic variety that can be easily identified.
Just my 2c of caution.
Cheers, Arjen.
Hi, Anyone still wanting one of these.... time is running out on the campaign with around 7 hours to go. They've hit the $1,750,000 milestone. And I'm in now. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-t... Cheers A.
I'm already in... Looking forward to getting the new shiny. -- Director InfoTeq Pty Ltd 0412 174 230 03 9017 2707 On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:35:41 AM Andrew McGlashan wrote:
Hi,
Anyone still wanting one of these.... time is running out on the campaign with around 7 hours to go. They've hit the $1,750,000 milestone. And I'm in now.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-t ablet
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On 20 November 2014 at 08:56, thelionroars <thelionroars1337@gmail.com> wrote:
For those not familiar with Jolla and Sailfish: http://jolla.com/tablet
Is Sailfish entirely 100% open source? I have heard somebody say it is a mixture of open source and proprietary code, just wondering if this is accurate. Thanks -- Brian May <brian@microcomaustralia.com.au>
Brian May wrote:
Is Sailfish entirely 100% open source?
| License: Overall EULA is proprietary, most elements open source^[2]^[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS
EULA makes no sense in pure OSS space, so this indicates there's proprietary stuff. This also contradicts the Jolla site claim of being all OSS and open and focused on privacy and freedom.
From the Sailfish Wikipedia page: "Sailfish is a mobile operating system (OS) combining the Linux kernel, the Mer core and proprietary software written by mobile software developer Jolla."
So, not fully open/free (freedom) then. Different flavour of not-quite-free/open just like Android. If you don't like that, you wouldn't want to help fund this one either. I think Jolla (company and website) is not being entirely frank in their public communications. On 2 December 2014 9:29:31 AM AEST, "Trent W. Buck" <trentbuck@gmail.com> wrote:
Brian May wrote:
Is Sailfish entirely 100% open source?
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