Keeping an old email address going
Would be grateful for advice at the naive user level for help on how to proceed with following problem rhn@jeack.com.au is a functioning email address; that is I can send (eg this one ) and recieve emails from it ; the history is that ownership seems to have been taken over by different companies following amalgamations : jeack pty. ltd was taken over by hotkey was taken over by iprimus....etc. Question: iprimus now seems to have disowned the domain name (conversation with iprimus support ) ; basicly even 2nd level support doesn't know or can't be bothered working out how the current arrangement can exist. My suspicion is that somehow "rhn@jeack.com.au" has become an alias for "rhn1@hotkey.net.au" (which is acknowledged to exist) I would like to keep the email address; but their technical support seems to be suggesting I host the domain somewhere else, is this possible ? Just off the top of my head even if the domain name is no longer registered; surely this would have consequences should there be any one else with a 'jeack.com.au' email address ?; BUT if it was possible what is the proceedure ? regards Rohan McLeod
Hi Rohan On 1/10/18 4:38 pm, Rohan McLeod via luv-talk wrote:
Would be grateful for advice at the naive user level for help on how to proceed with following problem rhn@jeack.com.au is a functioning email address; that is I can send (eg this one ) and recieve emails from it ; the history is that ownership seems to have been taken over by different companies following amalgamations : jeack pty. ltd was taken over by hotkey was taken over by iprimus....etc.
The domain is still registered: Domain Name: JEACK.COM.AU Registry Domain ID: D407400000001894414-AU Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.auda.org.au Registrar URL: Last Modified: Registrar Name: PlanetDomain Pty Ltd Registrar Abuse Contact Email: Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: Reseller Name: Status: serverRenewProhibited https://afilias.com.au/get-au/whois-status-codes#serverRenewProhibited Registrant Contact ID: ID00017355-PR Registrant Contact Name: Hotkey Owned Domain Registrant Contact Email: provisioning@service.hotkey.net.au Tech Contact ID: ID00017355-PR Tech Contact Name: Hotkey Owned Domain Tech Contact Email: provisioning@service.hotkey.net.au Name Server: GROMIT.HOTKEY.NET.AU Name Server IP: 203.134.153.66 Name Server: WALLACE.HOTKEY.NET.AU Name Server IP: 203.134.64.67 DNSSEC: unsigned Registrant: Jeack Pty. Ltd. Registrant ID: OTHER N/A Eligibility Type: Other No mention of Iprimus. However if you look at the mailserver: 5 vscan.hotkey.net.au <https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3ajeack.com.au&run=toolpage#> 202.138.0.13 <https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3ajeack.com.au&run=toolpage#> Primus Telecommunications (AS9443) 24 hrs It is one of the hotkey domains. So I don't think there is anything you can do. If the email still works then good. If not you will need to find a new one. Cheers Nic
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Nic Baxter via luv-talk wrote:
<https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3ajeack.com.au&run=toolpage#>
Primus Telecommunications (AS9443) 24 hrs
It is one of the hotkey domains. So I don't think there is anything you can do. If the email still works then good. If not you will need to find a new one.
It is interesting that your javascript thing reports Primus for the AS number. Here, I see Vocus Group: bash4$ kdig mx jeack.com.au +short 5 vscan.hotkey.net.au. # or bash4$ systemd-resolve -t mx jeack.com.au jeack.com.au IN MX 5 vscan.hotkey.net.au then bash4$ systemd-resolve vscan.hotkey.net.au vscan.hotkey.net.au: 202.138.0.14 202.138.0.13 bash4$ whois 202.138.0.13 inetnum: 202.138.0.0 - 202.138.15.255 netname: VOCUS-AP descr: VOCUS PTY LTD ... Googling that name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/Vocus yields: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocus_Group Brands • iPrimus Following that indicate iPrimus was acquired by M2 in 2012, and M2 merged into Vocus in 2016. That would seem to suggest that your web app is using 6-year-old data? Unless the AS number is still named after iPrimus — I'm not actually sure how to look up an AS number.
On 02/10/18 00:30, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Nic Baxter via luv-talk wrote:
<https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=mx%3ajeack.com.au&run=toolpage#>
Primus Telecommunications (AS9443) 24 hrs
It is one of the hotkey domains. So I don't think there is anything you can do. If the email still works then good. If not you will need to find a new one. It is interesting that your javascript thing reports Primus for the AS number. Here, I see Vocus Group:
bash4$ kdig mx jeack.com.au +short 5 vscan.hotkey.net.au.
# or
bash4$ systemd-resolve -t mx jeack.com.au jeack.com.au IN MX 5 vscan.hotkey.net.au
then
bash4$ systemd-resolve vscan.hotkey.net.au vscan.hotkey.net.au: 202.138.0.14 202.138.0.13
bash4$ whois 202.138.0.13 inetnum: 202.138.0.0 - 202.138.15.255 netname: VOCUS-AP descr: VOCUS PTY LTD ...
Googling that name:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/Vocus
yields:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocus_Group Brands • iPrimus
Following that indicate iPrimus was acquired by M2 in 2012, and M2 merged into Vocus in 2016. That would seem to suggest that your web app is using 6-year-old data?
Unless the AS number is still named after iPrimus — I'm not actually sure how to look up an AS number.
There are a number of web based ways of looking up an ASN. mxtoolbox.com has one but I will use another: https://www.ultratools.com/tools/asnInfoResult?domainName=Primus+Telecommuni... AS6407 Country: CA Registration Date: 2000-03-31 Registrar: arin Owner: PRIMUS-AS6407 - Primus Telecommunications Canada Inc., CA AS9443 Country: AU Registration Date: 1998-11-12 Registrar: apnic Owner: INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications, AU AS11867 Country: US Registration Date: 1999-01-22 Registrar: arin Owner: PRIMUSTEL - PTGi International Carrier Services, Inc., US AS5427 Country: DE Registration Date: 1995-09-27 Registrar: ripencc Owner: PRTL-, DE So the Australian one is AS9443, registered in 1998. I checked ABN http://www.abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View/77061754943 and Primus Communications is still registered and the ASIC shows the business is still registered and operating. https://connectonline.asic.gov.au/RegistrySearch/faces/landing/panelSearch.j... My suggestion is that Primus isl an active business owned by Vocus and because the ASN registration was make in Primus's name originally that registration remains. Cheers Nic
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 01/10/18 16:38, Rohan McLeod via luv-talk wrote:
Would be grateful for advice at the naive user level for help on how to proceed with following problem rhn@jeack.com.au is a functioning email address;
If you can get a transfer of the domain name to yourself BEFORE it expires, then there are forms to fill in and a payment will be required to be aid for the transfer. There are rules for .com.au domain names, you must fit in with those rules; that generally means that you need a business that can own it in most cases and hat business needs to have the right to own it. If it's registration expires, then you may or may not be able to scoop it up; it is possible that once it expires, there will be someone else trying to nab it, so you'll have competition. Therefore, if you really want the email address, you will need to go through the transfer process. Once you own the domain name, if you can get it, then you'll need to think about DNS and appropriate MX records as well as hosting for both. if there is just one email address that is required and it isn't a high volume one, then I might host it for you on my server, but that would be only after you know that you can legally acquire ownership of the domain name -- that hurdle needs to be overcome first. Without going through the process of acquiring the domain name, you will likely be on borrowed time, however the current "owner" may continue to renew it forever or a long period of time and it may just keep working as it is now. When they fail to renew the domain name, for whatever reason, then you will lose access to the email as it won't route correctly to a server handling the domain name. Similarly even if they keep the domain name active, they may remove the mx functionality at any time. Cheers A. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEAREIAB0WIQTJAoMHtC6YydLfjUOoFmvLt+/i+wUCW7Jc3QAKCRCoFmvLt+/i +73+AP9y9iZMCoR6Vwh4qbj5Pi8YywJv1jJU6Z9zkKENfJjvIAD9EJbCNi/zChhd mzyDe504GdnZfpgsVq2wFgB+JP6cOUA= =JkoH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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