On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis <brent.wallis@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis <brent.wallis@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/churches-scaremongering-on-s ame -sex-marriage-say-greens/story-e6frg6nf-1226397808679
My Gay friends are really pissed off at this nonsense.
Why must the Greens continually insist that an individuals rights to freedom of association/religion is somehow anti same sex marriage. The tone of this obviously biased story is that people of religious bent are drones willing to listen to what is preached.
The article reports that the top clergy have issued statements against marriage equality. Obviously they do so because they expect a significant portion of their congregation to do as they are told.
For heavens sake please re read what I said. Your words here have completely ignored my statement:
A persons associative choice does not implicitly imply that they are ignorant.
That statement wasn't in your previous message. The article in question only included the word "ignorance" once, I'll quote it for you: # Reverend Mike Hercock urged Christians attending Sunday services to make up # their own minds. # # "The enemy here is ignorance, and that is what the Australian Christian # lobby is relying upon," he told reporters after the video's launch. The article made no statement about whether Reverend Mike Hercock in any way represents the Greens, presumably he's just someone who agrees with marriage equality. Lots of clergy do nowadays. http://www.care2.com/causes/conservative-rabbis-approve-gay-marriage.html Even conservative Rabbis support marriage equality! It's clearly not a battle between atheists and religious people. Quoting Reverent Mike in the article makes it obvious.
Mixing that up with religious mumbo jumbo will illicit responses like this Australian trash every time.
From the article: # "The legislation before parliament won't force church groups to marry anyone # they don't want to," said Senator Hanson-Young.
That's a passive aggressive statement. It works against the cause...why the fuck even say it?
Why do you think it works against the cause? I've seen lots of discussions about marriage which involve people who claim that their church would be forced to marry gay couples. The number of people who believe such things makes it worth debunking IMHO.
Answer: Makes the person making it look like some sort of hero for the cause. Outcome: Some people on the fence will fall the wrong way.
If there were a few more Greens MPs and Senators then they would be in a better position to force the government to support such legislation. So getting more votes for the Greens is a really good thing. Marriage equality isn't going to happen in the current parliament, and maybe not the next one. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/