17 Jun
2012
17 Jun
'12
9:43 p.m.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/churches-scaremongering-on-same…
My Gay friends are really pissed off at this nonsense.
Why must the Greens continually insist that an individuals rights to
freedom of association/religion is somehow anti same sex marriage.
The tone of this obviously biased story is that people of religious
bent are drones willing to listen to what is preached.
Damn it!
A person who commits to another person for life deserves common law rights.
Mixing that up with religious mumbo jumbo will illicit responses like
this Australian trash every time.
....someone needs to sit down with the Greens PR wankers and tell em
to pull their head in!!!
In short, the watermelons need to shut the fuck up or else they will
screw up the very thing that they and majority of us want!
BW
17 Jun
17 Jun
9:56 p.m.
New subject: How to prevent Gay Marriage Rights without even trying.
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis <brent.wallis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/churches-scaremongering-on-same
-sex-marriage-say-greens/story-e6frg6nf-1226397808679
My Gay friends are really pissed off at this nonsense.
Why must the Greens continually insist that an individuals rights to
freedom of association/religion is somehow anti same sex marriage.
The tone of this obviously biased story is that people of religious
bent are drones willing to listen to what is preached.
The article reports that the top clergy have issued statements against
marriage equality. Obviously they do so because they expect a significant
portion of their congregation to do as they are told.
Mixing that up with religious mumbo jumbo will illicit
responses like
this Australian trash every time.
From the article:
# "The legislation before parliament won't force church groups to marry anyone
# they don't want to," said Senator Hanson-Young.
#
# Australian Marriage Equality national convenor Alex Greenwich appealed to
# the church leaders for respect, saying same-sex marriage wouldn't impinge on
# heterosexual rights.
#
# "I'd like to send a message to the priests and parishioners that we come in
# peace, and we share your respect for the institution of marriage and ... for
# freedom of religion," he told reporters in Sydney.
Those seem like reasonable statements and comprise the most significant part
of the article.
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10:20 p.m.
New subject: How to prevent Gay Marriage Rights without even trying.
*sigh*
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Russell Coker <russell(a)coker.com.au> wrote:
That's a passive aggressive statement. It works against the
cause...why the fuck even say it?
Answer: Makes the person making it look like some sort of hero for the cause.
Outcome: Some people on the fence will fall the wrong way.
BW
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis
<brent.wallis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
For heavens sake please re read what I said.
Your words here have completely ignored my statement:
A persons associative choice does not implicitly imply that they are ignorant.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/churches-scaremongering-on-same
-sex-marriage-say-greens/story-e6frg6nf-1226397808679
My Gay friends are really pissed off at this nonsense.
Why must the Greens continually insist that an individuals rights to
freedom of association/religion is somehow anti same sex marriage.
The tone of this obviously biased story is that people of religious
bent are drones willing to listen to what is preached.
The article reports that the top clergy have issued statements against
marriage equality. Obviously they do so because they expect a significant
portion of their congregation to do as they are told. Mixing that up
with religious mumbo jumbo will illicit responses like
this Australian trash every time.
From the article:
# "The legislation before parliament won't force church groups to marry anyone
# they don't want to," said Senator Hanson-Young.
10:40 p.m.
New subject: How to prevent Gay Marriage Rights without even trying.
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis <brent.wallis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That's a passive aggressive statement. It works against the
cause...why the fuck even say it?
Why do you think it works against the cause?
I've seen lots of discussions about marriage which involve people who claim
that their church would be forced to marry gay couples. The number of people
who believe such things makes it worth debunking IMHO.
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Russell Coker
<russell(a)coker.com.au> wrote:
That statement wasn't in your previous message. The article in question only
included the word "ignorance" once, I'll quote it for you:
# Reverend Mike Hercock urged Christians attending Sunday services to make up
# their own minds.
#
# "The enemy here is ignorance, and that is what the Australian Christian
# lobby is relying upon," he told reporters after the video's launch.
The article made no statement about whether Reverend Mike Hercock in any way
represents the Greens, presumably he's just someone who agrees with marriage
equality. Lots of clergy do nowadays.
http://www.care2.com/causes/conservative-rabbis-approve-gay-marriage.html
Even conservative Rabbis support marriage equality!
It's clearly not a battle between atheists and religious people. Quoting
Reverent Mike in the article makes it obvious.
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis
<brent.wallis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
For heavens sake please re read what I said.
Your words here have completely ignored my statement:
A persons associative choice does not implicitly imply that they are
ignorant.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/churches-scaremongering-on-s
ame -sex-marriage-say-greens/story-e6frg6nf-1226397808679
My Gay friends are really pissed off at this nonsense.
Why must the Greens continually insist that an individuals rights to
freedom of association/religion is somehow anti same sex marriage.
The tone of this obviously biased story is that people of religious
bent are drones willing to listen to what is preached.
The article reports that the top clergy have issued statements against
marriage equality. Obviously they do so because they expect a
significant portion of their congregation to do as they are told. Mixing that up with religious mumbo jumbo will illicit
responses like
this Australian trash every time.
From the article:
# "The legislation before parliament won't force church groups to marry
anyone # they don't want to," said Senator Hanson-Young. Answer: Makes the person making it look like some sort
of hero for the
cause. Outcome: Some people on the fence will fall the wrong way.
If there were a few more Greens MPs and Senators then they would be in a
better position to force the government to support such legislation. So
getting more votes for the Greens is a really good thing. Marriage equality
isn't going to happen in the current parliament, and maybe not the next one.
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11:08 p.m.
New subject: How to prevent Gay Marriage Rights without even trying.
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Russell Coker <russell(a)coker.com.au> wrote:
If there were a few more Greens MPs and Senators then they would be in a
better position to force the government to support such legislation.
That's what the Democrats used to say...
No one in the Greens camp seems to truly grasp or understand the word "hubris".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris
getting more votes for the Greens is a really good
thing. Marriage equality
isn't going to happen in the current parliament, and maybe not the next one.
That maybe.
But it could have if the Greens had of lead by example, and dared to
take the bull by the horns instead of mucking around with power plays.
Penny Wong is a great role model , and dare I say it , Bob as well.
If both of these people really pushed we would have success sooner
rather than later.
But they won't because their respective parties are too busy trying to
keep themselves relevant.
Never forget that the Greens are holding on by virtue of the upper
house cycle being longer than the lower house.
Any new government with the guts to call a quick double dissolution
well...perhaps then the Greens would understand hubris.
We live in interesting times.
BW
18 Jun
18 Jun
12:28 a.m.
Brent Wallis wrote:
Penny Wong is a great role model , and dare I say it ,
Bob as well.
If both of these people really pushed we would have success sooner
rather than later.
Bob's gone:
On 13 April 2012, Brown resigned as leader of the Greens and
indicated his intention to resign from the Senate in June. This
occurred on 15 June 2012.^[2]
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Brown
8:19 a.m.
New subject: How to prevent Gay Marriage Rights without even trying.
On Monday, June 18, 2012, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Brent Wallis wrote:
Yes....
But being released from the parlimentary shackle has enabled many
politicians ,on all sides , to do their best work.
BW
Penny Wong is a great role model , and dare I say
it , Bob as well.
If both of these people really pushed we would have success sooner
rather than later.
Bob's gone:
On 13 April 2012, Brown resigned as leader of the Greens and
indicated his intention to resign from the Senate in June. This
occurred on 15 June 2012.^[2]
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Brown&g…
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9:24 a.m.
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis wrote:
No one in the Greens camp seems to truly grasp or
understand the word "hubris".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris
Last time I had this word in mind was at a religious congregation
organisized by a "modern church" in the Eastern suburbs.
There was a message from the church leaders passed, to "save our
marriage", and there were some members who voiced their opinion that gay
couples don't need marriage rights, that these poor souls need a cure to
be lead back to the right path.
It was Melbourne 2012. Hard to believe it.
Peter
5:53 p.m.
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Peter Ross <Peter.Ross(a)bogen.in-berlin.de> wrote:
There was a message from the church leaders passed, to
"save our
marriage", and there were some members who voiced their opinion that gay
couples don't need marriage rights, that these poor souls need a cure to
be lead back to the right path.
It was Melbourne 2012. Hard to believe it.
It's easy to believe it, we have had similar stuff on this list quite
recently. The person in question was mislead by their favourite religious
leader which incidentally disproves any claims about the clergy not having
influence.
http://www.tonedeaf.com.au/news/local-news/172608/exsavage-garden-singer-
slams-salvation-armys-homophobic-stance.htm
There's currently a news issue about Darren Hayes Tweeting about the Salvos.
It's interesting to note that 2 Tweets by Darren get an 11 paragraph news
article, an official response from the Salvos, and probably more news as well.
The power of celebrity!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPwKohkCKMg
The above URL has the full version of the original "To the Moon and Back"
video. IMHO that's Darren's best work.
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