Lev, You missed On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Lev Lafayette <lev@levlafayette.com> wrote:
On Fri, November 7, 2014 9:31 pm, Michael Scott wrote:
I haven't and don't intend to impose anything on anyone. It's same sex activists wanting to impose their beliefs on what already exists and change the definition of marriage. Whether I choose to "have one" or not is not the issue. GLBT activists want to change the definition of marriage. That's IMPOSING your beliefs on others, not the other way around.
Do you want to impose your religious beliefs on others? You don't, for religious reasons, support same-sex marriage. Have you therefore concluded that everyone else has to live under that as well, even though it doesn't effect you?
No, I just don't believe that the definition of marriage should be changed so that same sex couples can have the same legal rights, which is what they're really after. Otherwise they're after imposing their beliefs on others. I have absolutely no problem with same sex couples having the same legal rights as heterosexual/married couples. What I don't want is the legal definition of marriage being changed.
The definition of marriage is not a static thing, and it is not owned by any religious authority. The age when marriage was considered acceptable has changed. Race restrictions once existed. As did religious restrictions as well, for that matter. So therefore the definition is mutuable.
I don't know what that word, mutuable, is, but the definition of marriage is actually biblical.
In a modern society we're pretty much settled on the opinion that as long as it's between consenting adults, it's none of our business in a legal sense.
Again, no problem with same sex couples having the same legal rights.
They're either secular or they're Baptist. They can't be both.
Says you, but that just tells me that you don't know what the word 'secular' means. Secular is just the world available to all of us, which we currently live in whether they are atheist, pagan, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, etc. and is independent of their religious beliefs. Some secularists have a concept of the otherworldly, others do not.
Whatever they have a "concept of", it's either Biblical or it's not.
I have a 'funny' story about this actually. It involves an older Jewish friend of mine, who some people might know, named Halina. She was at a social function and a person giving the speech sat at her table and started speaking in Hebrew. She said that she didn't understand Hebrew, so he started speaking in Yiddish. She apologised and said that she hadn't spoken much Yiddish since she was a child. He asked what synagogue she went to. She said she didn't really go to synagogue, her family were secular Jews.
"Secular Jews!", he mocked. "There is no such thing. It's an oxymoron.". He ranted for a while on the issue and concluded with the damning line "By what right do you call yourself a Jew?"
With remarkable modesty, she is not prone to making too much an issue of the matter, but this was an exception. She stared him straight in the face and said: "I think six years in Hitler's death camps entitles me to that right".
You see, her family in Poland had been rounded up for being Jewish in 1939. She was 16 at the time when she was incarcerated at Auschwitz II-Birkenau and towards the end of the war at Stutthof. These weren't 'just' concentration camps; they were extermination camps. Somehow she survived.
So, are you going to look her in the eye and tell her too that she's "not really" a Jew as well?
Do you know anything about Jewish and Christian background. Of course if she's of Jewish heritage she's Jewish. I'd never deny that of her. That has nothing to do with her religious beliefs.
Again, they're either Christian or they're not. You can't be both Christian and secular. You either believe in, trust and follow Jesus Christ or you don't.
Again you are displaying that you simply don't know what secularism is, and it would be helpful if you educated yourself on the matter. Secularism doesn't mean that you give up trusting and following Jesus if you want to. What it does mean is that you don't apply your version of Christian laws onto people who are not interested in them.
No, it shows that YOU simply don't know what Christianity is.
It's not about Christian "laws". There are 2 commandments. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul and all your strength. And Love your neighbour as yourself.
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