On Fri, November 7, 2014 9:31 pm, Michael Scott wrote:
>
> I haven't and don't intend to impose anything on anyone. It's same sex
> activists wanting to impose their beliefs on what already exists and
> change the definition of marriage. Whether I choose to "have one" or not
> is not the issue. GLBT activists want to change the definition of
> marriage. That's IMPOSING your beliefs on others, not the other way
> around.
Do you want to impose your religious beliefs on others? You don't, for
religious reasons, support same-sex marriage. Have you therefore concluded
that everyone else has to live under that as well, even though it doesn't
effect you?
The definition of marriage is not a static thing, and it is not owned by
any religious authority. The age when marriage was considered acceptable
has changed. Race restrictions once existed. As did religious restrictions
as well, for that matter. So therefore the definition is mutuable.
In a modern society we're pretty much settled on the opinion that as long
as it's between consenting adults, it's none of our business in a legal
sense.
> They're either secular or they're Baptist. They can't be both.
Says you, but that just tells me that you don't know what the word
'secular' means. Secular is just the world available to all of us, which
we currently live in whether they are atheist, pagan, Christian, Muslim,
Buddhist, etc. and is independent of their religious beliefs. Some
secularists have a concept of the otherworldly, others do not.
I have a 'funny' story about this actually. It involves an older Jewish
friend of mine, who some people might know, named Halina. She was at a
social function and a person giving the speech sat at her table and
started speaking in Hebrew. She said that she didn't understand Hebrew, so
he started speaking in Yiddish. She apologised and said that she hadn't
spoken much Yiddish since she was a child. He asked what synagogue she
went to. She said she didn't really go to synagogue, her family were
secular Jews.
"Secular Jews!", he mocked. "There is no such thing. It's an oxymoron.".
He ranted for a while on the issue and concluded with the damning line "By
what right do you call yourself a Jew?"
With remarkable modesty, she is not prone to making too much an issue of
the matter, but this was an exception. She stared him straight in the face
and said: "I think six years in Hitler's death camps entitles me to that
right".
You see, her family in Poland had been rounded up for being Jewish in
1939. She was 16 at the time when she was incarcerated at Auschwitz
II-Birkenau and towards the end of the war at Stutthof. These weren't
'just' concentration camps; they were extermination camps. Somehow she
survived.
So, are you going to look her in the eye and tell her too that she's "not
really" a Jew as well?
> Again, they're either Christian or they're not. You can't be both
> Christian
> and secular. You either believe in, trust and follow Jesus Christ or you
> don't.
Again you are displaying that you simply don't know what secularism is,
and it would be helpful if you educated yourself on the matter. Secularism
doesn't mean that you give up trusting and following Jesus if you want to.
What it does mean is that you don't apply your version of Christian laws
onto people who are not interested in them.
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Mngmnt) (Chifley)
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