I'm idly considering switching away from Kmail. What's a good replacement? I don't want much in the way of features, just basic sending and receiving mail with offline-IMAP. Viewing HTML mail, signing, encrypting, and decrypting via GPG, and an addressbook that also includes a cache of recent addresses. Also I'm idly considering moving my archive of 100,000 old messages to an IMAP server on my LAN and have my laptop access it via offline IMAP. I've got a bunch of folders with about 10,000 messages in each. Am I likely to have any problems doing this? The archive isn't going to change often (only when I manually move messages from the current folders on either my laptop or my workstation), so I'd probably have my workstation poll it once a week and my laptop poll it manually. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On Tue, 2013-07-02 at 14:11 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
I'm idly considering switching away from Kmail. What's a good replacement?
I don't want much in the way of features, just basic sending and receiving mail with offline-IMAP. Viewing HTML mail, signing, encrypting, and decrypting via GPG, and an addressbook that also includes a cache of recent addresses.
Also I'm idly considering moving my archive of 100,000 old messages to an IMAP server on my LAN and have my laptop access it via offline IMAP. I've got a bunch of folders with about 10,000 messages in each. Am I likely to have any problems doing this? The archive isn't going to change often (only when I manually move messages from the current folders on either my laptop or my workstation), so I'd probably have my workstation poll it once a week and my laptop poll it manually.
I've been using Evolution for years and it seems to do a good job. It does support IMAP, HTML and encryption, though I don't use those features. You can download your messages from several POP accounts into the one inbox and you can create filter rules for sorting. I've got 30,000 messages in my inbox and there isn't really any noticeable performance issue.
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, David Zuccaro <david.zuccaro@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
I've been using Evolution for years and it seems to do a good job. It
Has it changed much in recent times? Last time I tried it I found it to be too slow to respond. On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, "Trent W. Buck" <trentbuck@gmail.com> wrote:
What's the rationale for the GUI requirement? From the (elided) lines I'm guess this is for you, not for e.g. your gramma.
It is for me, I find a GUI to be good for mail and to not have any down-side. If I'm not using a full desktop environment for reading mail then I'll be using an Android device. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On Tue, 2013-07-02 at 15:04 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, David Zuccaro <david.zuccaro@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
I've been using Evolution for years and it seems to do a good job. It
Has it changed much in recent times? Last time I tried it I found it to be too slow to respond.
It hasn't changed that much in moving from squeeze to wheezy or even from etch, just minor interface adjustments. For me the main bottle-neck in downloading mail is the gmail pop server. I do remember that it used to be rather sluggish on older machines. I'm using it now on that C2D you recommended that I purchase from Grays and it is very snappy when I click on different folders; I would say that Evolution has benefited significantly from hardware performance improvements over the years.
On 2 July 2013 14:28, David Zuccaro <david.zuccaro@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
I've been using Evolution for years and it seems to do a good job. It
Evolution last I used it was not particularly reliable, and had a reputation of being unreliable and poorly supported. It has been a while since I used it, so I can't remember the details with the problems I encountered. Although I do seem to vaguely remember sometimes your configuration can get "corrupted" and require purging in order to restart evolution. On the plus side it had (still does?) built in support for Exchange, although this was not particularly reliable (or up-to-date) either. I doubt much has changed. I wouldn't recommend evolution. Although it might work for you. -- Brian May <brian@microcomaustralia.com.au>
On Tue, 2013-07-02 at 15:25 +1000, Brian May wrote:
On 2 July 2013 14:28, David Zuccaro <david.zuccaro@optusnet.com.au> wrote: I've been using Evolution for years and it seems to do a good job. It
Evolution last I used it was not particularly reliable, and had a reputation of being unreliable and poorly supported. It has been a while since I used it, so I can't remember the details with the problems I encountered. Although I do seem to vaguely remember sometimes your configuration can get "corrupted" and require purging in order to restart evolution.
On the plus side it had (still does?) built in support for Exchange, although this was not particularly reliable (or up-to-date) either.
I doubt much has changed.
I wouldn't recommend evolution. Although it might work for you.
I can confirm that exchange is supported. I haven't had reliability problems with Evolution for years; it has stabilized. The project wiki seems quite active: https://wiki.gnome.org/Evolution
Quoting Brian May (brian@microcomaustralia.com.au):
On 2 July 2013 14:28, David Zuccaro <david.zuccaro@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
I've been using Evolution for years and it seems to do a good job. It
Evolution last I used it was not particularly reliable, and had a reputation of being unreliable and poorly supported. It has been a while since I used it, so I can't remember the details with the problems I encountered. Although I do seem to vaguely remember sometimes your configuration can get "corrupted" and require purging in order to restart evolution.
On the plus side [Evolution] had (still does?) built in support for Exchange, although this was not particularly reliable (or up-to-date) either.
A colleague at work uses a Davmail gateway daemon running on his Linux workstation. (It's Java. Ugh.) My recollection is that it relies on screen-scraping of the OWA (Outlook Web Access) to exchange scheduling and mail data. On the local side, it presents POP3, IMAP, SMTP, LDAP, Caldav, and Carddav cient services to whatever you choose to run locally. My colleague runs Mozilla Thunderbird for Linux behind that, and says it works really well. I most recently set up my own (Debian) workstation at that MS-Exchange-addicted site a few years before he did, so I used an earlier solution: Mozilla Thunderbird (actually, Debian's[1] Icedove) with Provider for Microsoft Exchange extension, Mozilla Sunbird scheduling extension (actually, Debian's Iceowl) and also (if memory serves) Microsoft Exchange data provider for Thunderbird Lightning. It works extremely well on the mail side of things, and almost perfectly on the scheduling side. At home, I rather more enthusiastically run just mutt. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_D...
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 01:05:57 AM Rick Moen wrote:
A colleague at work uses a Davmail gateway daemon running on his Linux workstation. (It's Java. Ugh.) My recollection is that it relies on screen-scraping of the OWA (Outlook Web Access) to exchange scheduling and mail data.
It depends on what Exchange you are using, I think it does something like that for Exchange 2003, but for 2007 it can use Webdav or EWS (Exchange Web Services), and it will use EWS for 2010. http://davmail.sourceforge.net/gettingstarted.html All the best, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP
Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> writes:
I'm idly considering switching away from Kmail. What's a good replacement?
What's the rationale for the GUI requirement?
From the (elided) lines I'm guess this is for you, not for e.g. your gramma.
-- Trent "look, look -- I actually read the Subject this time!" Buck
Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
I'm idly considering switching away from Kmail. What's a good replacement?
I don't want much in the way of features, just basic sending and receiving mail with offline-IMAP. Viewing HTML mail, signing, encrypting, and decrypting via GPG, and an addressbook that also includes a cache of recent addresses.
I've read good reports about Claws-mail. Perhaps a subscriber to this list has used it and can comment further.
Also I'm idly considering moving my archive of 100,000 old messages to an IMAP server on my LAN and have my laptop access it via offline IMAP. I've got a bunch of folders with about 10,000 messages in each. Am I likely to have any problems doing this? The archive isn't going to change often (only when I manually move messages from the current folders on either my laptop or my workstation), so I'd probably have my workstation poll it once a week and my laptop poll it manually.
Dovecot performs indexing of all the maildir folders that it accesses, which should help performance on the IMAP server side. You then need a MUA that doesn't download all of the messages whenever you access a folder. If memory serves, Thunderbird does this in order to support better text searching, but obviously this has performance consequences. Caveat: this is based on memories of prior mailing list discussions.
On 2 July 2013 15:11, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
serves, Thunderbird does this in order to support better text searching, but
Note that Thunderbird is not supported by Mozilla any more. http://www.webpronews.com/mozilla-leaves-thunderbird-in-the-hands-of-the-use... -- Brian May <brian@microcomaustralia.com.au>
On 02/07/13 15:19, Brian May wrote:
Note that Thunderbird is not supported by Mozilla any more.
Not strictly true: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/New_Release_and_Governance_Model # Mozilla is focusing a lot of its efforts towards important web and # mobile projects, while Thunderbird remains a pure desktop only email # client. We have come to the conclusion that continued innovation on # Thunderbird is not a priority for Mozilla and that the most critical # needs for the product are on-going security and stability. Thunderbird 17.0.7 was released on June 25th. They go on to say: # In fact, it is quite possible that Thunderbird is already pretty much # what its users want and there is not a high demand for innovation in # this field. Given that "innovation" in this field has led me to also look to migrate away from Kontact & Kmail2 after many years of happy use I'm considering moving to Thunderbird at home too. I've been using TB at work for ages (because I can use it with Lightning and Davmail to access the Uni exchange calendar system). All the best, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC
Chris Samuel <chris@csamuel.org> wrote:
I've been using TB at work for ages (because I can use it with Lightning and Davmail to access the Uni exchange calendar system).
Based on a quick search, it seems that Emacs org-mode is another option for those requiring Caldav support. (I know that doesn't help Vi users...).
Quoting Jason White (jason@jasonjgw.net):
Based on a quick search, it seems that Emacs org-mode is another option for those requiring Caldav support. (I know that doesn't help Vi users...).
Well, there's viper mode. ;-> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ViperMode http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil My friend and fellow sysadmin Jim Dennis runs GNU emacs in Viper mode to help avoid getting carpal-tunnel syndrome. -- Cheers, "Girl, are you a model? Because you could totally be an Rick Moen idealized sample representation of a real-world object." rick@linuxmafia.com -- Matt Watson McQ! (4x80)
Hi, I find TB on the whole to be the best MUA -- but when it gets stuck on downloading mail, I just switchover to Squirrel mail so it can continue on without frustrating me too much. The one thing that is most lacking with TB is actual mail storage options, I really want TB to use storage like offline IMAP..... that would help a great deal. Mega size files for mail for folders with loads of emails is more painful than would be the case of individual Maildir files. Cheers A.
On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 22:33:08 +1000 Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
Hi,
I find TB on the whole to be the best MUA -- but when it gets stuck on downloading mail, I just switchover to Squirrel mail so it can continue on without frustrating me too much.
The one thing that is most lacking with TB is actual mail storage options, I really want TB to use storage like offline IMAP..... that would help a great deal.
Do you mean local copy of emails from imap server? TB does that: "Synchronisation and Storage" setting under account setting. Cheers Daniel. Mega size files for mail for folders with
loads of emails is more painful than would be the case of individual Maildir files.
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Hi, On 6/07/2013 10:53 PM, Dan062 wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 22:33:08 +1000 Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
Hi,
I find TB on the whole to be the best MUA -- but when it gets stuck on downloading mail, I just switchover to Squirrel mail so it can continue on without frustrating me too much.
The one thing that is most lacking with TB is actual mail storage options, I really want TB to use storage like offline IMAP..... that would help a great deal.
Do you mean local copy of emails from imap server?
TB does that: "Synchronisation and Storage" setting under account setting.
No, it can create multi-gigabyte files for folders..... local storage needs more options. See this [1], it's almost there now apparently, but still has bugs; hopefully only in the Windows world, but I hope for the end of all bugs, even there! [1] https://jaisejames.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/to-activate-maildir-in-thunderbi... Cheers A.
Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
I find TB on the whole to be the best MUA -- but when it gets stuck on downloading mail, I just switchover to Squirrel mail so it can continue on without frustrating me too much.
The one thing that is most lacking with TB is actual mail storage options, I really want TB to use storage like offline IMAP..... that would help a great deal.
Another problem with TB is that it won't read /var/mail/$USER or any other mbox or maildir folder for incoming messages. It assumes you have a client/server arrangement where the MTA is running on another machine, which is precisely not my configuration. rather, I'm running Postfix locally and using Procmail to filter the messages as they arrive. Now I'm not looking for a GUI MUA, but if I were, and if I wanted to run TB, I'd have to run a local IMAP daemon such as Dovecot just so that TB could read incoming messages. This all suggests to me that it was designed under the assumptions of the PC world rather than those of the UNIX world, where people sometimes choose to run an MTA locally.
On Sun, 7 Jul 2013, Jason White wrote:
Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
I find TB on the whole to be the best MUA -- but when it gets stuck on downloading mail, I just switchover to Squirrel mail so it can continue on without frustrating me too much.
The one thing that is most lacking with TB is actual mail storage options, I really want TB to use storage like offline IMAP..... that would help a great deal.
Another problem with TB is that it won't read /var/mail/$USER or any other mbox or maildir folder for incoming messages. It assumes you have a client/server arrangement where the MTA is running on another machine, which is precisely not my configuration.
But then it helpfully downloads all the messages and stores them in a big huge essentially mbox file in ~ instead. Sigh.
rather, I'm running Postfix locally and using Procmail to filter the messages as they arrive.
People point and laugh at me when they see me using (al)pine. Oh, how primitive! Yeah, but I can grep for my mail, and you have to use Outhouse and rely on the sexchange sewer returning valid search results, which it doesn't do when I search for a known phrase in my mailbox and it only returns 3 copies out of the 7 I was able to find with grep. -- Tim Connors
Tim Connors <tconnors@rather.puzzling.org> writes:
People point and laugh at me when they see me using (al)pine. Oh, how primitive! Yeah, but I can grep for my mail, and you have to use Outhouse and rely on the sexchange sewer returning valid search results, which it doesn't do when I search for a known phrase in my mailbox and it only returns 3 copies out of the 7 I was able to find with grep.
Is alpine developed the same way as mutt? That is, everybody makes monkey patches, and ever few years the mutt dev takes the twenty most popular patches and merges them together and calls it a new release. I've become a bit grumpy with mutt since looking under the hood to see if it spoke IMAP's COPY verb, and finding that. alpine's probably the only alternative. (Well, I hear gnus can actually speak IMAP reasonably fast nowadays, but I'm not sure I want to go back to it for more than NNTP...)
Trent W. Buck <trentbuck@gmail.com> wrote:
I've become a bit grumpy with mutt since looking under the hood to see if it spoke IMAP's COPY verb, and finding that. alpine's probably the only alternative.
Alpine (formerly Pine) was written by the creators of IMAP at the University of Washington. Hence it should implement IMAP correctly. The University of Washington is no longer involved in its maintenance, but the Debian package reveals that there was a new release this year, indicating that someone is still maintaining it. I haven't used it for a very long time, thus my knowledge of features and limitations is out of date.
So will this help: http://jaisejames.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/to-activate-maildir-in-thunderbir... On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 22:33:08 +1000, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
Hi,
I find TB on the whole to be the best MUA -- but when it gets stuck on downloading mail, I just switchover to Squirrel mail so it can continue on without frustrating me too much.
The one thing that is most lacking with TB is actual mail storage options, I really want TB to use storage like offline IMAP..... that would help a great deal. Mega size files for mail for folders with loads of emails is more painful than would be the case of individual Maildir files.
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Hi Keith, On 8/07/2013 12:23 AM, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
So will this help:
http://jaisejames.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/to-activate-maildir-in-thunderbir...
Thank you. It definitely would if it was bug free ..... and ready for prime time use; it's not likely to be /ready/ any time this year according to some posts Even better if it was 100% IMAP RFC compliant, which it doesn't look like we'll get :( - but it's a huge improvement over Berkley mail store just the same. btw .... I actually did find that link and it was in one of my replies too. Thanks A.
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 03:19:13PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
On 2 July 2013 15:11, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
serves, Thunderbird does this in order to support better text searching, but
Note that Thunderbird is not supported by Mozilla any more.
http://www.webpronews.com/mozilla-leaves-thunderbird-in-the-hands-of-the-use...
FTA "They will continue to provide support, but any further development is being left up to the users." More information from Mozilla here, where they recognize that they have more than 20 million people using it: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/New_Release_and_Governance_Model Mozilla may not be interested any more in allocating resources to develop and add new features and functionality, but I can't see Thunderbird (and Icedove and friends) going away in the foreseeable future. For a GUI desktop application e-mail client, it gets my vote. -Adam
On 02/07/13 15:19, Brian May wrote:
On 2 July 2013 15:11, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
serves, Thunderbird does this in order to support better text searching,
Note that Thunderbird is not supported by Mozilla any more.
hi not so from https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases Thunderbird 24, moves to RELEASE on Week of September 17, 2013 with Thunderbird 17.0esr (security fixes only) Steve R
On 2 July 2013 15:11, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
Dovecot performs indexing of all the maildir folders that it accesses, which
If indexed mail is your preference, have a look at: http://notmuchmail.org/ This works best on a local Maildir however. In fact a local Maildir might be the only thing it supports (I can't remember right now), which may mean it is insufficient for Russell's requirements. -- Brian May <brian@microcomaustralia.com.au>
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
Dovecot performs indexing of all the maildir folders that it accesses, which should help performance on the IMAP server side. You then need a MUA that doesn't download all of the messages whenever you access a folder. If memory serves, Thunderbird does this in order to support better text searching, but obviously this has performance consequences.
I want the client to download all the mail so I can use my laptop with poor or no Internet access. So while Dovecot indexing is a good thing, it's not going to be a big deal for me. On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Brian May <brian@microcomaustralia.com.au> wrote:
Evolution last I used it was not particularly reliable, and had a reputation of being unreliable and poorly supported. It has been a while since I used it, so I can't remember the details with the problems I encountered. Although I do seem to vaguely remember sometimes your configuration can get "corrupted" and require purging in order to restart evolution.
One problem with Evolution is that it had it's own database of mail. I'd rather have the local mail store be in Maildir format so I can be confident of my ability to rescue mail without much effort if things go wrong. Using Maildir storage plus indexes is good, so something like Dovecot's indexes for local store of the offline IMAP would be good. On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Brian May <brian@microcomaustralia.com.au> wrote:
If indexed mail is your preference, have a look at:
This works best on a local Maildir however. In fact a local Maildir might be the only thing it supports (I can't remember right now), which may mean it is insufficient for Russell's requirements.
Proper indexing is a good thing. One thing that really annoys me about Kmail is that it indexes fields like the sender for a quick search but then doesn't use those indexes for a full search. For example I have a folder containing 15,000 mailing list messges of which about 100 are from Brian May. I type "Brian May" into the main search field and get an instant list of the 100 messages, I do a search for "Brian May" as sender and a random technical term and my hard drive grinds for minutes when it really should just be searching those 100 messages for a match on the technical term. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 16:13:28 +1000 Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
Dovecot performs indexing of all the maildir folders that it accesses, which should help performance on the IMAP server side. You then need a MUA that doesn't download all of the messages whenever you access a folder. If memory serves, Thunderbird does this in order to support better text searching, but obviously this has performance consequences.
I want the client to download all the mail so I can use my laptop with poor or no Internet access. So while Dovecot indexing is a good thing, it's not going to be a big deal for me.
Just be aware that there is an incompability / bug in some versions of Thunderbird and the Dovecot IMAP implementation, where it will download *all* the mail and not just recent unread ones every time a sync takes place between the imap server and your client, if you set it to keep a local copy of all your mails. So if you have regular syncs (like every 15 mins) you can end up downloading several GB of email data daily, as what happened to me a while ago. Upgrading Thunderbird fixed it. But it is apparently a specific Dovecot-thunderbird version issue only. So if you do go that way, just check thats not happening. D.
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Brian May <brian@microcomaustralia.com.au> wrote:
Evolution last I used it was not particularly reliable, and had a reputation of being unreliable and poorly supported. It has been a while since I used it, so I can't remember the details with the problems I encountered. Although I do seem to vaguely remember sometimes your configuration can get "corrupted" and require purging in order to restart evolution.
One problem with Evolution is that it had it's own database of mail. I'd rather have the local mail store be in Maildir format so I can be confident of my ability to rescue mail without much effort if things go wrong.
Using Maildir storage plus indexes is good, so something like Dovecot's indexes for local store of the offline IMAP would be good.
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Brian May <brian@microcomaustralia.com.au> wrote:
If indexed mail is your preference, have a look at:
This works best on a local Maildir however. In fact a local Maildir might be the only thing it supports (I can't remember right now), which may mean it is insufficient for Russell's requirements.
Proper indexing is a good thing. One thing that really annoys me about Kmail is that it indexes fields like the sender for a quick search but then doesn't use those indexes for a full search. For example I have a folder containing 15,000 mailing list messges of which about 100 are from Brian May. I type "Brian May" into the main search field and get an instant list of the 100 messages, I do a search for "Brian May" as sender and a random technical term and my hard drive grinds for minutes when it really should just be searching those 100 messages for a match on the technical term.
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Dan062 <dan062@yahoo.com.au> writes:
Just be aware that there is an incompability / bug in some versions of Thunderbird and the Dovecot IMAP [...]
We had an even better one -- /home an NFS export shared with the mailserver, which exported ~/Maildir as IMAP. So when tbird was pointed at IMAP, it went "oh awesome, mail to download!" and proceeded to copy the whole flipping mailbox into ~/Maildir -- where it came from.
Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> writes:
Dovecot performs indexing of all the maildir folders that it accesses, which should help performance on the IMAP server side. You then need a MUA that doesn't download all of the messages whenever you access a folder. If memory serves, Thunderbird does this in order to support better text searching, but obviously this has performance consequences.
You can have (fast) server-side searching with dovecot-solr. (Otherwise it's faster to SSH into the mailserver and use grep -r).
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 15:11:22 +1000 Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
I've read good reports about Claws-mail. Perhaps a subscriber to this list has used it and can comment further.
I've been using claws mail for many years (at least 6) and would have stayed with it forever if I'd not finally got around to trying mutt :D It supports HTML viewing via a few plugins but most importantly, can simply strip the HTML components and display text only versions automatically (for quick and easy reply, quoting etc). It is the most flexible GUI mail client I've ever used, and the only GUI one I've found that allows for fairly easy header manipulation. It has a fairly powerful (perhaps overly so) filtering and processing system (filtering, pre-processing, post-processing etc). It handles my mail effortlessly, though my entire pool is only 2G or so. I currently have ~9000 email in my inbox, and one folder has 24552 ( LUV Main :P ). Finally, I like it's shorthand search feature that supports some primitive logical operators, eg: t luv-main@ & f russell@ & b claws Regards, -- Todd Harbour ~o~
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Todd Harbour <luv_list@datapax.com.au> wrote:
I've read good reports about Claws-mail. Perhaps a subscriber to this list has used it and can comment further.
I've been using claws mail for many years (at least 6) and would have stayed with it forever if I'd not finally got around to trying mutt :D
http://www.claws-mail.org/ Thanks for the suggestion, from the above web site it looks good. I'll try it out. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 17:18:59 +1000 Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013, Todd Harbour <luv_list@datapax.com.au> wrote:
I've read good reports about Claws-mail. Perhaps a subscriber to this list has used it and can comment further.
I've been using claws mail for many years (at least 6) and would have stayed with it forever if I'd not finally got around to trying mutt :D
Thanks for the suggestion, from the above web site it looks good. I'll try it out.
I have used Claws-mail too. Its ok, except that the search features, where I prefer the Thuderbird search features. Also a few times for no obvious reason, Claws-mail will stop authenticating to an imap server - I have not been able to work out why as it can be intermittent. Cheers Daniel
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Todd Harbour <luv_list@datapax.com.au> wrote:
I've been using claws mail for many years (at least 6) and would have stayed with it forever if I'd not finally got around to trying mutt :D
Mutt remains excellent. Once you know a few of its search operators you can quickly find what you need amid a large folder. I've only ever used it with local mbox and maildir folders, not with IMAP, thus I don't know how well it performs in the latter scenario (probably not as well as running Fetchmail or an equivalent tool).
Quoting Jason White (jason@jasonjgw.net):
Mutt remains excellent. Once you know a few of its search operators you can quickly find what you need amid a large folder.
And if you want a 'GUI MUA', fortunately mutt runs extremely well in the xterm of your choice! ;-> -- Cheers, Snowden is accused of giving information to "the enemy". Rick Moen He gave information to the American people. Well, now rick@linuxmafia.com we know who the enemy is. --- Steven Brust McQ! (4x80)
Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> writes:
Todd Harbour <luv_list@datapax.com.au> wrote:
I've been using claws mail for many years (at least 6) and would have stayed with it forever if I'd not finally got around to trying mutt :D
Mutt remains excellent. Once you know a few of its search operators you can quickly find what you need amid a large folder.
I've only ever used it with local mbox and maildir folders, not with IMAP, thus I don't know how well it performs in the latter scenario (probably not as well as running Fetchmail or an equivalent tool).
I use mutt against dovecot and gmail. It works mostly OK, but it doesn't implement imap move (nor does dovecot 1.x), so I can't use crm114's sexy server-side retrain-on-move stuff. (Not that I actually get enough spam to care, but I'd like to set it up for $boss who also uses mutt and DOES get spam.) set imap_keepalive = 120 set header_cache = ~/.cache/mutt/ set message_cachedir = ~/.cache/mutt/ set imap_idle = yes set imap_check_subscribed = yes set imap_list_subscribed = no
I've used Claws off & on for a while. If HTML is VERY important, I'd suggest you check if it does what you want before you commit. I find that some images don't render. That can be an advantage, but you might like better. Also, it seems to slow down with total file numbers somewhat less than you are contemplating. (But I prefer POP, so maybe that has a bearing.) On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
I've read good reports about Claws-mail. Perhaps a subscriber to this list has used it and can comment further.
-- Keith Bainbridge keithrbaugroups@gmail.com 0447 667 468
I should have added that creating filters is far from intuitive. Once I got the hang of it, things gradually get less frustrating. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
I've read good reports about Claws-mail. Perhaps a subscriber to this list has used it and can comment further.
-- Keith Bainbridge keithrbaugroups@gmail.com 0447 667 468
Quoting Russell Coker (russell@coker.com.au):
I'm idly considering switching away from Kmail. What's a good replacement?
All known MUAs for Linux here: 'MUAs' on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Mail/ Yr. welcome! -- Cheers, "Two women walk into a bar and discuss the Bechdel Test." Rick Moen -- Matt Watson rick@linuxmafia.com McQ! (4x80)
My response below On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 14:11:55 +1000, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote::
I'm idly considering switching away from Kmail. What's a good replacement?
G'day Russell et al I suggested Claws a couple of days ago. I seem to have cured the problem of not all images rendering. I had the switch that allowed downloading external images turned OFF. Thanks Regards Keith Bainbridge 0447 667 468 keithrbaugroups@gmail.com
Keith Bainbridge writes:
I seem to have cured the problem of not all images rendering. I had the switch that allowed downloading external images turned OFF.
In case it's not obvious, turning that on means the sender can get the email to "phone home" when you read it, which is useful anytime the sender's business model is selling eyeballs to advertisers (e.g. spammers, social media, google). Personally I would recommend external images off and (if possible) doing something like [right click > show this external image] when you run into a legitimate email with such an external resource. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_per_mille https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_per_impression This is also why you should probably use that browser plugin to disable "like" &c buttons until you actually click on them. (I forget the plugin name - I just block facebook &c completely.)
My response below On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 14:40:06 +1000, trentbuck@gmail.com (Trent W. Buck) wrote::
In case it's not obvious, turning that on means the sender can get the email to "phone home" when you read it, which is useful anytime the sender's business model is selling eyeballs to advertisers (e.g. spammers, social media, google).
Thanks Trent Good idea. Keith Bainbridge 0447 667 468
On Thu, 2013-07-04 at 14:40 +1000, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Keith Bainbridge writes:
I seem to have cured the problem of not all images rendering. I had the switch that allowed downloading external images turned OFF.
In case it's not obvious, turning that on means the sender can get the email to "phone home" when you read it, which is useful anytime the sender's business model is selling eyeballs to advertisers (e.g. spammers, social media, google).
That's about the only thing I like about Evolution. I'd been a long time Kmail user and swapped over to Evolution a few weeks ago. The only thing I like so far is "Load images only in massages from contacts". I'm thinking about wiping .kde4 and starting again. I really miss Kmail. Shane.
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