Linux RSS/ATOM feed readers... alternatives to liferea ?
Hey all, I've been using liferea for awhile to keep up to date with the various feeds I follow. Of late, it's started segfaulting a lot :( .. Has anyone either fixed this behaviour, or is using another feed reader program? Something with a GUI? I've been resisting importing the .opml into Google Reader, but like a lot of things, may have to go in that direction it seems. Anthony
Anthony Hogan <anthony-luv@hogan.id.au> wrote:
I've been using liferea for awhile to keep up to date with the various feeds I follow. Of late, it's started segfaulting a lot :( ..
Has anyone either fixed this behaviour, or is using another feed reader program? Something with a GUI?
Have you looked for an extension to your favourite Web browser, whichever that happens to be? I was going to suggest Newsbeuter, but the GUI requirement rules it out.
I use tt-rss. I find it superior to liferea. On 24 December 2012 18:16, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
Anthony Hogan <anthony-luv@hogan.id.au> wrote:
I've been using liferea for awhile to keep up to date with the various feeds I follow. Of late, it's started segfaulting a lot :( ..
Has anyone either fixed this behaviour, or is using another feed reader program? Something with a GUI?
Have you looked for an extension to your favourite Web browser, whichever that happens to be?
I was going to suggest Newsbeuter, but the GUI requirement rules it out.
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:19:18 +1100 Alex Hutton <highspeeddub@gmail.com> wrote:
I use tt-rss. I find it superior to liferea.
So, how did you go about installing it? I tried to pull in the package from Ubuntu's universe repository and found it non functional. Seems they've fixed it in Debian, but haven't copied across fix to Ubuntu.
I am running Debian Squeeze. I added the developers own repository to my /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://tt-rss.org/apt sid main however, according to http://tt-rss.org/redmine/projects/tt-rss/wiki/DebianRepository , tt-rss is now officially in Debian Sid, so we can use that. Do a dry run first, but it shouldn't bring in any dependencies that would break your system. On 28 December 2012 16:44, Anthony Hogan <anthony-luv@hogan.id.au> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:19:18 +1100 Alex Hutton <highspeeddub@gmail.com> wrote:
I use tt-rss. I find it superior to liferea.
So, how did you go about installing it? I tried to pull in the package from Ubuntu's universe repository and found it non functional. Seems they've fixed it in Debian, but haven't copied across fix to Ubuntu.
Hey Alex, Thanks for that. I pulled the package from unstable and installed it after purging the ubuntu one and it seems to be up and running now. Anthony
Hey Alex, Have you noticed it thrashing your hard disk a lot? I loaded in ~200 feeds or so via an .opml export file from liferea, and I find when browsing the new posts at a category level that it appears to be thrashing my hard disk something fierce. Seeing some SQL queries when doing "show full processlist;" (I already had MySQL installed for XBMC and am not very familiar with postgresql), but most often just seeing "COMMIT". Anthony
Hi Anthony, I'm glad you were able to install it. I'm using the MySQL version too. I actually don't notice any disk activity at all when I access the feeds through the front end. I would guess that this is because I have disabled the Linux swap on my machine. I have 8 gigabytes of RAM and that is plenty for the software that I run. Even if I had only 4GB of RAM I'd still be able to keep the swap off. I did a Google search for mysql linux swap and there were a few interesting results so I suggest you try that. Cheers, Alex On 29 December 2012 21:44, Anthony Hogan <anthony-luv@hogan.id.au> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Have you noticed it thrashing your hard disk a lot?
I loaded in ~200 feeds or so via an .opml export file from liferea, and I find when browsing the new posts at a category level that it appears to be thrashing my hard disk something fierce.
Seeing some SQL queries when doing "show full processlist;" (I already had MySQL installed for XBMC and am not very familiar with postgresql), but most often just seeing "COMMIT".
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Hey Alex, Hrrmm.. interesting RE swap. My reading in the past regarding swap seems to be not to starve the machine on it or stuff just dies rather than slows down.. it's something to keep in mind though. In the interim I ran "show processlist" a few times, and when I caught a query, I checked that the table it was running that query against had indexes, which they did.. but more than queries I often saw "COMMIT". I seem to have been able to improve performance by: * Setting innodb_flush_log_at_trx_commit = 0 * Removing a few Add-ons from Firefox :D The first fixed the disk thrashing (it seemed to be doing SQL COMMITs multiple times per second which was triggering filesystem syncs which resulted in a lot of disk crunching. With this setting change, it'll only sync at most every 1 second.. Potentially lose a second's worth of data, but given the only purpose for the MySQL database in this case is XBMC metadata + tt-rss feeds, I think I'll live :) The second was because as I arrowed through different posts, I noticed that the disk was a LOT quieter, but things were still sluggish. Running top showed Firefox peg at 100% on its given core. Wasn't using Firebug and a few other tweak tools, so I pulled them out. Either way, thanks for the tt-rss suggestion! It looks pretty slick, hasn't segfaulted yet :) and if I can secure my install appropriately, the mobile app looks like it could be nice. Anthony
Anthony Hogan <anthony-luv@hogan.id.au> writes:
Hrrmm.. interesting RE swap. My reading in the past regarding swap seems to be not to starve the machine on it or stuff just dies rather than slows down.. it's something to keep in mind though.
IME as at 2.6, the last time I ran with swap, "slows down" means "slows down to the point where you can't get a shell to spawn pkill" such that you end up having to hard reset the entire machine. Compared to that, letting the OOM killer take a guess (and probably kill off the browser that's causing swap thrash) seems like a good bet. YMMV &c. Oh, for servers I do generally still give them swap, but since they are massively overspecced with RAM, I've never seen them actually page anything out.
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Anthony Hogan <anthony-luv@hogan.id.au> writes:
Hrrmm.. interesting RE swap. My reading in the past regarding swap seems to be not to starve the machine on it or stuff just dies rather than slows down.. it's something to keep in mind though.
IME as at 2.6, the last time I ran with swap, "slows down" means "slows down to the point where you can't get a shell to spawn pkill" such that you end up having to hard reset the entire machine. Compared to that, letting the OOM killer take a guess (and probably kill off the browser that's causing swap thrash) seems like a good bet. YMMV &c.
Oh, for servers I do generally still give them swap, but since they are massively overspecced with RAM, I've never seen them actually page anything out.
Since SSDs can almost be written to all day every day for about 5 years without developing dodgy cells these days, I decided to enable swap on my SSD based machine. And was surprised to still only get about 3MB/S swap rates (15MB/s if I also enable zram). There is something really fscking screwy in Linux's swap implementation if the best it can do when trying to swap a 1GB browser image back in from disk is 3MB/s (@ about 300 iops) off a device that can do 80,000 iops and 300GB/s read. It's been like that since at least the 2.4 days. I've only *ever* gotten 3MB/s out of the si and so columns in vmstat. (at least SSD allows me to keep using the machine for other tasks when it's busy swapping in opera). -- Tim Connors
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012, Anthony Hogan <anthony-luv@hogan.id.au> wrote:
Hrrmm.. interesting RE swap. My reading in the past regarding swap seems to be not to starve the machine on it or stuff just dies rather than slows down.. it's something to keep in mind though.
It's a little more complicated than that. http://etbe.coker.com.au/2012/12/31/modern-swap-use/ I've written about this issue at the above URL. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On 24/12/12 18:00, Anthony Hogan wrote:
I've been using liferea for awhile to keep up to date with the various feeds I follow. Of late, it's started segfaulting a lot :( ..
Has anyone either fixed this behaviour, or is using another feed reader program? Something with a GUI?
I use Google Reader myself. But before that, I used Sage, which is a Firefox extension. Thunderbird has had RSS feed support for donkeys' years. I think that would fit best into your existing Liferea workflow.
I use calibre, which exports to epub and automatically puts it on my ereader. If you're looking for a straight replacement for liferea it wouldn't be helpful though. Bianca - on my phone, please excuse my brevity. On Dec 24, 2012 6:21 PM, "Jeremy Visser" <jeremy@visser.name> wrote:
On 24/12/12 18:00, Anthony Hogan wrote:
I've been using liferea for awhile to keep up to date with the various feeds I follow. Of late, it's started segfaulting a lot :( ..
Has anyone either fixed this behaviour, or is using another feed reader program? Something with a GUI?
I use Google Reader myself. But before that, I used Sage, which is a Firefox extension.
Thunderbird has had RSS feed support for donkeys' years. I think that would fit best into your existing Liferea workflow.
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I use Google Reader myself. But before that, I used Sage, which is a Firefox extension.
Hrrmm.. may have to explore it.. Thanks :)
Thunderbird has had RSS feed support for donkeys' years. I think that would fit best into your existing Liferea workflow.
I use Sylpheed as my mail client.. very lo-fi, but still GUI :)
Anthony Hogan <anthony-luv@hogan.id.au> wrote:
I use Sylpheed as my mail client.. very lo-fi, but still GUI :)
Claws-mail is based on Sylpheed, and I find in my Debian repository search: claws-mail-feeds-reader (the description says it supports RSS and ATOM). This is an option for you if you can switch to Claws-mail.
On 24 December 2012 18:21, Jeremy Visser <jeremy@visser.name> wrote:
I use Google Reader myself.
There are several unofficial Android clients for Google Reader which are much better then Google's. Which isn't hard, Google's offering is awful. I use NewsRob. I like this solution, as I can read on what ever device is convenient, whether phone, tablet or computer, and have read items kept in sync. Although unfortunately it is very much closed source and proprietary. -- Brian May <brian@microcomaustralia.com.au>
On 26/12/12 10:57, Brian May wrote:
On 24 December 2012 18:21, Jeremy Visser <jeremy@visser.name <mailto:jeremy@visser.name>> wrote:
I use Google Reader myself.
There are several unofficial Android clients for Google Reader which are much better then Google's. Which isn't hard, Google's offering is awful. I use NewsRob.
I use Google Reader with lightread on the desktop and access my GReader feeds via Google Currents on my android based phone. Lightread requires GReader. Cheers Dave
Anthony Hogan writes:
Has anyone either fixed this behaviour, or is using another feed reader program? Something with a GUI?
While doubtless useless to you, I feel compelled to mention that gwene.org, which translates RSS/Atom's idiotic design into a newsgroup, so you can read it with a real newsreader (like gnus). gwene groups are also carried by gmane.org, which does the same thing for mailing lists, like this one. Sadly, it is not bidirectional. Groups can be added to gwene by end users; browse to it with a js-capable browser.
Trent W. Buck <twb@cyber.com.au> wrote:
While doubtless useless to you, I feel compelled to mention that gwene.org, which translates RSS/Atom's idiotic design into a newsgroup, so you can read it with a real newsreader (like gnus). gwene groups are also carried by gmane.org, which does the same thing for mailing lists, like this one.
That's a very good idea - let's just convert ATOM/RSS feeds to NNTP. There is a proliferation of protocols: SMTP, NNTP, RSS/ATOM, XMPP, IRC, etc., in addition to Web APIs for various services that all perform similar but slightly different functions. I sometimes wonder whether we'll see more consolidation of such protocols in the future. The Wave Federation Protocol was an innovative attempt which, though unsuccessful as a Google product, continues to be developed by Apache and others. Another interesting entrant in this space is pump.io, the API of which is to be based on activity streams (http://activitystrea.ms/). It encompasses short and long messages, links, videos etc., as well as the maintenance of a social graph and group formation, according to my cursory reading of the documentation.
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012, Jason White wrote:
Trent W. Buck <twb@cyber.com.au> wrote:
While doubtless useless to you, I feel compelled to mention that gwene.org, which translates RSS/Atom's idiotic design into a newsgroup, so you can read it with a real newsreader (like gnus). gwene groups are also carried by gmane.org, which does the same thing for mailing lists, like this one.
That's a very good idea - let's just convert ATOM/RSS feeds to NNTP.
There is a proliferation of protocols: SMTP, NNTP, RSS/ATOM, XMPP, IRC, etc., in addition to Web APIs for various services that all perform similar but slightly different functions. I sometimes wonder whether we'll see more consolidation of such protocols in the future.
Bwuhahaha. Seriously? http://xkcd.com/927/ (for the visually impaired, you may still be able to read the display: none text transcript in that comic) (and you think this 15th protocol will be superior to any of the previous attempts?) -- Tim Connors
Tim Connors writes:
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012, Jason White wrote:
Trent W. Buck wrote:
While doubtless useless to you, I feel compelled to mention that gwene.org, which translates RSS/Atom's idiotic design into a newsgroup,
That's a very good idea - let's just convert ATOM/RSS feeds to NNTP.
There is a proliferation of protocols: SMTP, NNTP, RSS/ATOM, XMPP, IRC, etc., in addition to Web APIs for various services that all perform similar but slightly different functions. I sometimes wonder whether we'll see more consolidation of such protocols in the future.
Bwuhahaha. Seriously? http://xkcd.com/927/ (and you think this 15th protocol will be superior to any of the previous attempts?)
Ahem. I was advocating throwing away fancy-pants new protocols and using an existing one, not creating a new one. AFAICT Jason wasn't advocating a new protocol either, but maybe I'm just projecting.
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