On 26/06/18 00:48, Andrew McGlashan via luv-main wrote:
On 26/06/18 00:20, Tom Robinson via luv-main wrote:
On 26/06/18 00:03, Rohan McLeod wrote:
/start rant and turn a promising optical fibre-network; into a mediocre piece of crap.....gees thanks Malcom ! end rant /
Not a truer conclusion.
Normally the NBN will not deal directly with customers, all the support is expected to occur through the relevant ISP. Will Internode be your ISP when you connect via the NBN ?
My apologies. We're getting FTTN with VDSL.
The Internode sales guy insisted that I would have to hire my own cabling contractor should there be any issues with cabling between my house and the Node. I tried to explain to him that currently Telstra maintain the wires all the way to the socket on the wall but he kept saying that they wouldn't do that. Well, it's not quite true as some of the wires are now actually NBN wires but when the Telstra Tech's have been here before to fix issues and they test all the bits between the socket on the wall down to the node and then to the exchange.
With FTTN, you will have a copper pair to your home or the MDF (if you have an MDF -- essentially a termination point other than a phone socket).
Still not sure where my Network Boundary Point is. I found this googling last night: https://www.internode.on.net/pdf/legal/cra/internode-nbn-fibre-service-descr... On page two: Network Boundary Point means the point where the Service is provided to, which is; (a) in relation to FTTP, HFC or Fixed Wireless: the Ethernet port on the NBNCo NTD at your Premises; (b) in relation to FTTN or FTTB: the first accessible point in your Premises at which Your Equipment can be terminated and connected to a copper pair for the transmission of an NBN FTTB or FTTN Service. For MDUs, this is your side of the main distribution frame. (c) in relation to FTTC: the first accessible point in your Premises at which an NBNCo NCD can be terminated and connected to a copper pair for the transmission of an NBN FTTC Service. For MDUs, this is your side of the main distribution frame. Not even sure if this document even applies to my situation but it would be reasonable to assume so. My understanding would be that Internode would take care of the line up to "the first accessible point in your Premises at which Your Equipment can be terminated and connected to a copper pair for the transmission of an NBN FTTB or FTTN Service." I still don't know where the MDF/Network Boundary Point is on my house. Truth be told, I can probably find it, but not being a Cable Tech., and never have had to be concerned by it until now, I have no idea! And when I find it, there'd be a certain amount of guess work from my part as it comes down to "that's where I 'think' it is"...
Your copper line will pass the NBN data to the VDSL modem. The NBN via the ISP will be responsible for EVERYTHING up to that first socket; if they supply you with the VDSL modem, then they are responsible for that as well (at least for an acceptable duration as can be considered a reasonable lifetime according to the ACCC's position on acceptable consumer warranty (other than that which the supplier might claim).
<rant id=tom>This whole experience has just confirmed my all my misgivings for the current rollout and that the current NBN scheme is a huge smelly pile of donkey donuts</rant>
I have found that almost anything is better than ADSL for many -- my old ADSL was using copper lines at around the limit and I was lucky to get ADSL at all, it was much less reliable than my newer HFC setup. However, the full FTTP should be much better again -- FTTN falls below HFC (in my view), but well ahead of ADSL normally.
Being in a more rural location I have had good ADSL speeds. Typically I get 18Mbps. And I don't do much uploading.
Better than HFC is FTTC which some lucky HFC /type/ customers will get in place of HFC.
Fixed wireless sits somewhere between HFC and FTTN in my view; but the worst NBN option being satellite is a much less good option and only just good as a replacement if no other option is viable.
Yes, Internode may be my choice for ISP. They are my current ADSL provider.
Internode is not what they previously were, they are part of the iiBorg set of companies; it may be better than some other options, but it's not what it has, in the past, been known for.
Internode support has been reasonable over the years but I have noticed a certain 'Borginess' more recently.
My biggest rant is as follows: "Originally the plan was for a government INVESTMENT of $26.9 billion; with monies coming back as a return on investment upon eventual sale of the network. Now we have the real white elephant version at a cost of $60+ billion and there won't be many suiters willing to buy it unless they can pick it up for a song. Hence, we'll lose a very significant amount (if not every cent), that is spent on this far inferior version that is Turncoat's mess."
Agreed. Hey, how do you really screw up a major national network upgrade? Just politicise it and kick it around until the cost balloons to three times as much as originally planned and provides a weaker technical solution so that by the end of the rollout we have an inferior service and, as a country, we are still behind the rest of the world. -- Tom Robinson 19 Thomas Road Mobile: +61 4 3268 7026 Healesville, VIC 3777 Home: +61 3 5962 4543 Australia GPG Key: 8A4CB7A7 CONFIDENTIALITY: Copyright (C). This message with any appended or attached material is intended for addressees only and may not be copied or forwarded to or used by other parties without permission.