Hey luv. I've recently installed linux (openSUSE) on my laptop, Yay. It works, Yay. And now I'm trying to install linux on my brand spanking new, you beaut, ridgy didge desktop computer and I get nothing. I mean nothing. Zero feedback, except for nothing which in some philosophical circles is still considered something. But frankly philosophers are not going to help me here. What I did: 1. while in windows, download 'openSUSE-13.1-DVD-x86_64.iso' from the openSUSE website. 2. Insert blank DVD into DVD drive. 3. double left click on file which opens Nero dialogue box all ready to burn .iso file onto a DVD. 4. click the burn button, wait, done, success. 5. restart computer What happens same each time: 1. computer starts up 2. DVD drive engages 3. DVD drive winds up 4. nothing. 5. blank screens (x2) I've walked a way from the computer and left it some room to think about what it's doing. Time did not seem to improve the state of nothingness. Thanks for your help if you can. Scott.
On Mon, October 13, 2014 10:13 pm, Scott Junner wrote:
And now I'm trying to install linux on my brand spanking new, you beaut, ridgy didge desktop computer and I get nothing. I mean nothing. Zero feedback, except for nothing which in some philosophical circles is still considered something. But frankly philosophers are not going to help me here.
Don't be too sure of that :)
1. while in windows, download 'openSUSE-13.1-DVD-x86_64.iso' from the openSUSE website. 2. Insert blank DVD into DVD drive. 3. double left click on file which opens Nero dialogue box all ready to burn .iso file onto a DVD. 4. click the burn button, wait, done, success. 5. restart computer
OK, which version of MS-Windows is this? This question is really quite important because if you're trying to set up dual-boot on one of the 8.x UEFI versions of MS-Windows there is a new range of hoops you have to jump through. For "security purposes", of course.
1. computer starts up 2. DVD drive engages 3. DVD drive winds up 4. nothing. 5. blank screens (x2)
One thing I do wish to make sure of is that you can still boot into MS-Windows, without the blank screen right? It may be just a case that the video hardware is "too new" (aside from UEFI gymnastics). I had a similar situation with a new laptop wanting to install Debian Mint and discovering that the drivers weren't available for that distribution. Fortunately they were available for Ubuntu. We may need to know more about the hardware specs of your machine. And yes, my honours degree is in Politics, Philosophy, and Sociology.. and you're fortunately very far from the philosophical concept of nothing. :) All the best, -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GradCertTerAdEd (Murdoch), GradCertPM, MBA (Tech Mngmnt) (Chifley) mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
MS-Window 8.1 Yeah I can restart the computer into Windows again by hitting the reset button and opening the DVD drive just before it tries to read. Which hardware specs would you like in particular? On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Lev Lafayette <lev@levlafayette.com> wrote:
On Mon, October 13, 2014 10:13 pm, Scott Junner wrote:
And now I'm trying to install linux on my brand spanking new, you beaut, ridgy didge desktop computer and I get nothing. I mean nothing. Zero feedback, except for nothing which in some philosophical circles is still considered something. But frankly philosophers are not going to help me here.
Don't be too sure of that :)
1. while in windows, download 'openSUSE-13.1-DVD-x86_64.iso' from the openSUSE website. 2. Insert blank DVD into DVD drive. 3. double left click on file which opens Nero dialogue box all ready to burn .iso file onto a DVD. 4. click the burn button, wait, done, success. 5. restart computer
OK, which version of MS-Windows is this?
This question is really quite important because if you're trying to set up dual-boot on one of the 8.x UEFI versions of MS-Windows there is a new range of hoops you have to jump through. For "security purposes", of course.
1. computer starts up 2. DVD drive engages 3. DVD drive winds up 4. nothing. 5. blank screens (x2)
One thing I do wish to make sure of is that you can still boot into MS-Windows, without the blank screen right?
It may be just a case that the video hardware is "too new" (aside from UEFI gymnastics). I had a similar situation with a new laptop wanting to install Debian Mint and discovering that the drivers weren't available for that distribution. Fortunately they were available for Ubuntu. We may need to know more about the hardware specs of your machine.
And yes, my honours degree is in Politics, Philosophy, and Sociology.. and you're fortunately very far from the philosophical concept of nothing. :)
All the best,
-- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GradCertTerAdEd (Murdoch), GradCertPM, MBA (Tech Mngmnt) (Chifley) mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
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So when windows has booted put the DVD in a check it can be seen by the laptop. I have some gear here that could not read it's own written disks. And some gear that could read a DVD but not boot from it until the BIOS was updated. Have fun, Mike On Monday, 13 October 2014, Scott Junner <scott.junner@gmail.com> wrote:
MS-Window 8.1
Yeah I can restart the computer into Windows again by hitting the reset button and opening the DVD drive just before it tries to read.
Which hardware specs would you like in particular?
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Lev Lafayette <lev@levlafayette.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lev@levlafayette.com');>> wrote:
On Mon, October 13, 2014 10:13 pm, Scott Junner wrote:
And now I'm trying to install linux on my brand spanking new, you beaut, ridgy didge desktop computer and I get nothing. I mean nothing. Zero feedback, except for nothing which in some philosophical circles is still considered something. But frankly philosophers are not going to help me here.
Don't be too sure of that :)
1. while in windows, download 'openSUSE-13.1-DVD-x86_64.iso' from the openSUSE website. 2. Insert blank DVD into DVD drive. 3. double left click on file which opens Nero dialogue box all ready to burn .iso file onto a DVD. 4. click the burn button, wait, done, success. 5. restart computer
OK, which version of MS-Windows is this?
This question is really quite important because if you're trying to set up dual-boot on one of the 8.x UEFI versions of MS-Windows there is a new range of hoops you have to jump through. For "security purposes", of course.
1. computer starts up 2. DVD drive engages 3. DVD drive winds up 4. nothing. 5. blank screens (x2)
One thing I do wish to make sure of is that you can still boot into MS-Windows, without the blank screen right?
It may be just a case that the video hardware is "too new" (aside from UEFI gymnastics). I had a similar situation with a new laptop wanting to install Debian Mint and discovering that the drivers weren't available for that distribution. Fortunately they were available for Ubuntu. We may need to know more about the hardware specs of your machine.
And yes, my honours degree is in Politics, Philosophy, and Sociology.. and you're fortunately very far from the philosophical concept of nothing. :)
All the best,
-- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GradCertTerAdEd (Murdoch), GradCertPM, MBA (Tech Mngmnt) (Chifley) mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
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On Mon, October 13, 2014 11:26 pm, Scott Junner wrote:
MS-Window 8.1
Which, assuming it was preinstalled, comes with UEFI Secure Boot enabled. You'll have to: a) Build a partition in MS-Windows for your Linux to live. Yeah, horrible. Go to 'Administrative Tools' then Create and 'Format Disk Partitions'. Shrink an existing volume (probably where the existing MS-Windows OS is) and leave it as free space. We'll use it later. b) Optional but recommended, disable fast start up. This requires going to 'Control Panel' selecting 'Hardware and Sound' then 'Power Options', 'System Settings' 'Choose what the power buttons do' and uncheck 'Turn on fast startup'. c) Disable UEFI in MS-Windows 8.1. Go to 'Update and recovery' and select 'Restart now' under 'Advanced startup'. It won't actually restart, what it really want to know is *why* you want to restart now. So for certain definitions of 'now', select 'UEFI settings' and then you can select 'Restart now' which will lead you to a new screen with 'Troubleshoot' as a available option.
From 'Troubleshoot' choose 'Advanced options' and from in there, 'UEFI Firmware settings'.
Select 'Restart' to reboot your system in UEFI settings which will probably look very similar to BIOS. In that system, disable secure boot in UEFI, select the drive you want to boot from (probably USB or DVD) and then save and exit. Step 6. Install Linux. Which was a lot easier than the above.
Yeah I can restart the computer into Windows again by hitting the reset button and opening the DVD drive just before it tries to read.
OK, that's expected.
Which hardware specs would you like in particular?
It'll *probably* be your video card if this doesn't sort everything out. Hope this helps! -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GradCertTerAdEd (Murdoch), GradCertPM, MBA (Tech Mngmnt) (Chifley) mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
@Mike Hewitt: I can use the DVD in the laptop (BTW that is a Macbook Pro I now have duel booting) but it seems not right to me and I'm a little scared to proceed with anything there, purely because I'm not sure what I'm looking at. When the laptop boots from the DVD I see a menu with three headings - Installation - Rescue System - Check Installation Media My memory is that there was another item at the top of that list about trying out the operating system. Perhaps there is some way that the installed OS is detected and now that option is excluded from the list? Or maybe my memory is fuzzy and that's the 'Check Installation Media' option? @Wen Lin: I mean I have two screens and both of them show nothing. No quick splash of information. I did dome of that googling you suggested, I didn't really enjoy what I read and so I'm going to pretend I didn't. @ Lev: When creating the partition, the way you described was not quite the way to get where you suggested. Instead I followed a video which told me to use the Run tool and type 'diskmgmt.mcs' into that which took me straight to it. Question. Is 'Free Space' the same as 'Unallocated' space? I've shrunk the main volume, do I need to do something else to turn the new partition into 'Free Space'. It is currently labeled as 'Unallocated'. Thanks for your help everyone. I greatly appreciate it. Scott.
On Tue, October 14, 2014 9:10 pm, Scott Junner wrote:
@ Lev: When creating the partition, the way you described was not quite the way to get where you suggested. Instead I followed a video which told me to use the Run tool and type 'diskmgmt.mcs' into that which took me straight to it.
Same, same.
Question. Is 'Free Space' the same as 'Unallocated' space? I've shrunk the main volume, do I need to do something else to turn the new partition into 'Free Space'. It is currently labeled as 'Unallocated'.
No leave it as it is; Linux will detect it and suggest that's where you want to install. All the best, -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GradCertTerAdEd (Murdoch), GradCertPM, MBA (Tech Mngmnt) (Chifley) mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
My dear lord I think this is going to work after all. Thank goodness I didn't buy that chainsaw. But now I have what may be a repeat question. So I managed to get to the bit where I can install openSUSE. I can see it and everything. And I can get to the BIOS now too. Turns out I had the screens plugged in to the motherboard and not the graphics card where they should have been connected. *[Slaps Forehead]* My concern now is that someone said the installation software should detect and automatically set up the dual screen configuration. Which sounds great. But at what point will it do this? Is it during that bit at the end where it says 'Automatic Configuration'? Because right now I can see two versions of the same screen and two pointers moving exactly the same on each screen. Should I just move forward and trust it will work or is there something I should do to ensure it works? How much of a nightmare will it be to get it working after install if it doesn't work automatically? Cheers again. *[Slaps Forehead again]* On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Lev Lafayette <lev@levlafayette.com> wrote:
On Tue, October 14, 2014 9:10 pm, Scott Junner wrote:
@ Lev: When creating the partition, the way you described was not quite the way to get where you suggested. Instead I followed a video which told me to use the Run tool and type 'diskmgmt.mcs' into that which took me straight to it.
Same, same.
Question. Is 'Free Space' the same as 'Unallocated' space? I've shrunk the main volume, do I need to do something else to turn the new partition into 'Free Space'. It is currently labeled as 'Unallocated'.
No leave it as it is; Linux will detect it and suggest that's where you want to install.
All the best,
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Scott Junner wrote:
My concern now is that someone said the installation software should detect and automatically set up the dual screen configuration. Which sounds great. But at what point will it do this? Is it during that bit at the end where it says 'Automatic Configuration'? Because right now I can see two versions of the same screen and two pointers moving exactly the same on each screen.
AFAIK that's normal. The CLI tool to change (from mirrored to side-by-side) is called xrandr(1). e.g. xrandr --output VGA-1 --left-of DVI-1 I guess there are GUI tools to do the same thing in e.g. KDE and GNOME, but I don't know about them.
On 19/10/14 13:16, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Scott Junner wrote:
My concern now is that someone said the installation software should detect and automatically set up the dual screen configuration. Which sounds great. But at what point will it do this? Is it during that bit at the end where it says 'Automatic Configuration'? Because right now I can see two versions of the same screen and two pointers moving exactly the same on each screen.
AFAIK that's normal. The CLI tool to change (from mirrored to side-by-side) is called xrandr(1). e.g.
xrandr --output VGA-1 --left-of DVI-1
I use arandr as a gui for xrandr which is simple and doesn't have many dependencies. Nic
Hi there, there are a few tricks here. I have access to several optical drives and there can be some 'funnies' with combination of BIOS and settings and abilities of drives even so called new stuff. Can the destination laptop read the DVD ? Check by booting to windows and inserting the DVD - I have seen good burns not be readable. Mike On Monday, 13 October 2014, Scott Junner <scott.junner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey luv.
I've recently installed linux (openSUSE) on my laptop, Yay. It works, Yay.
And now I'm trying to install linux on my brand spanking new, you beaut, ridgy didge desktop computer and I get nothing. I mean nothing. Zero feedback, except for nothing which in some philosophical circles is still considered something. But frankly philosophers are not going to help me here.
What I did:
1. while in windows, download 'openSUSE-13.1-DVD-x86_64.iso' from the openSUSE website. 2. Insert blank DVD into DVD drive. 3. double left click on file which opens Nero dialogue box all ready to burn .iso file onto a DVD. 4. click the burn button, wait, done, success. 5. restart computer
What happens same each time:
1. computer starts up 2. DVD drive engages 3. DVD drive winds up 4. nothing. 5. blank screens (x2)
I've walked a way from the computer and left it some room to think about what it's doing. Time did not seem to improve the state of nothingness.
Thanks for your help if you can.
Scott.
-- Mike Feel free to checkout http://www.electroteach.com/eca
Hello Scott Is this a popular brand PC (ie: HP, Lenovo, Dell or something) or a white box? If it is branded you can always see if there are any known issue with that particular model on the web. Else do you know the motherboard model and graphics card model? If its a UEFI issue, as I suspect it may be, you need somehow to disable it. How? different bios and model use different terminology and set the various UEFI disabling configuration differently. So no point me giving you a step by step instructions. You will need to work it out by trial and error with anything that ressembles that it is related to UEFI in the bios. Thats not a good response from me, but you know who else to blame for that! But make sure you note the current setup so you can return to it to get to Windows. BTW when you say nothing, do you mean not even the bios message?? I have lost track of OpenSUSE release history. Is 13.1 UEFI enabled? If so it should boot. Else try Ubuntu 14.04. But you may still need to make some config changes to UEFI related options (other term use is "secure boot" instead of UEFI) If its a graphics card issue - also quite likely (if it is Nvidia) then we have to work out what model it is and lookup instructions on how to do that. BTW: Sat 18 is beginners workshop. You can always attempt to bring the box at the workshop, and someone will look at it. Cheers Daniel. On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 22:13:08 +1100 Scott Junner <scott.junner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey luv.
I've recently installed linux (openSUSE) on my laptop, Yay. It works, Yay.
And now I'm trying to install linux on my brand spanking new, you beaut, ridgy didge desktop computer and I get nothing. I mean nothing. Zero feedback, except for nothing which in some philosophical circles is still considered something. But frankly philosophers are not going to help me here.
What I did:
1. while in windows, download 'openSUSE-13.1-DVD-x86_64.iso' from the openSUSE website. 2. Insert blank DVD into DVD drive. 3. double left click on file which opens Nero dialogue box all ready to burn .iso file onto a DVD. 4. click the burn button, wait, done, success. 5. restart computer
What happens same each time:
1. computer starts up 2. DVD drive engages 3. DVD drive winds up 4. nothing. 5. blank screens (x2)
I've walked a way from the computer and left it some room to think about what it's doing. Time did not seem to improve the state of nothingness.
Thanks for your help if you can.
Scott.
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