23 Mar
2018
23 Mar
'18
12:09 a.m.
'Catallaxy Files' is an Australian supposed right-libertarian blog site.
Terry Colvin, a retired US military chap living in Thailand, sometimes
sees fit to forward its blog postings to the Skeptic mailing list.
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:27:09 +0700 (GMT+07:00)
From: "Terry W. Colvin" <fortean1(a)mindspring.com>
To: Skeptic <skeptic(a)linuxmafia.com>
Subject: [skeptic] Fw: [New post] Does Australia Need a Donald Trump?
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From: Catallaxy Files
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To: fortean1(a)mindspring.com
Subject: [New post] Does Australia Need a Donald Trump?
Sinclair Davidson posted: "DOES AUSTRALIA NEED A DONALD TRUMP? With Tom
Switzer, Parnell McGuinness, James Morrow and Miranda Devine Join us after
work for drinks and canapes in Sydney on April 3 as we debate whether
Australia needs a disruptive leader like Donald Trump. "
New post on Catallaxy Files [bla]
Does Australia Need a Donald Trump?
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by Sinclair Davidson
DOES AUSTRALIA NEED A DONALD TRUMP?
With Tom Switzer, Parnell McGuinness, James Morrow and Miranda Devine
Join us after work for drinks and canapes in Sydney on April 3 as we debate
whether Australia needs a disruptive leader like Donald Trump.
He has turned US politics upside-down by mocking the media, provoking
critics, cutting bureaucracies, setting ambitious targets and pursuing them
with the unpredictability of a world-class negotiator. By doing so, Donald
Trump has revived investment, employment, share prices, consumer confidence
and US global power, not to mention grass-roots patriotism.
Australian politicians, meanwhile, are constrained by Canberran
conventions. Could we use a maverick? Could a shrewd outsider with a
showbiz streak do to Australia what Trump has done for the US? Join us as
our two panels - Miranda Devine and James Morrow (for) and Tom Switzer and
Parnell McGuinness (against) - imagine the consequences.
DATE: Tuesday, 3 April 2018, 6pm-8pm
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COST: $30 pp/ $15 members. Click here to book
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:11:31 +0000
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Subject: Re: [skeptic] Fw: [New post] Does Australia Need a Donald Trump?
No one fucking needs Donald Trump.
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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 05:59:40 -0700
From: Rick Moen <rick(a)linuxmafia.com>
To: skeptic(a)linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [skeptic] Fw: [New post] Does Australia Need a Donald Trump?
Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
I note with appreciation my learned colleague Kevin France's comment. ;->
Further:
Quoting Terry W. Colvin (fortean1(a)mindspring.com), citing Sinclair
Davidson at Catallaxy Files:
Sinclair Davidson posted: "DOES AUSTRALIA
NEED A DONALD TRUMP? With Tom
Switzer, Parnell McGuinness, James Morrow and Miranda Devine Join us after
work for drinks and canapes in Sydney on April 3 as we debate whether
Australia needs a disruptive leader like Donald Trump. "
There are multiple errors in the question. First, the Toddler-in-Chief
is nothing like a leader. He is merely a talentless hereditary mafia
don (pun not entirely intended), an infantile third-rater. Second, the
correct word is not 'disruptive' but rather chaotic. He doesn't even
serve his _own_ agenda, because he doesn't have one.
He has turned US politics upside-down by mocking the
media, provoking
critics, cutting bureaucracies, setting ambitious targets and pursuing them
with the unpredictability of a world-class negotiator.
Third, that's not turning US politics upside-down, but rather
introducing a great deal of noise and debasing (his portion of) public
discourse, along with emboldening Neo-Nazis and misogynists. Fourth,
it's turned out he's an absolutely abysmal negotiator, who merely lied
about that along with just about literally everything else.
By doing so, Donald Trump has revived investment,
employment, share
prices, consumer confidence and US global power, not to mention
grass-roots patriotism.
He's done none of those things, actually. Economic indicators are
declining, US global power is in tatters and the nation an international
laughing-stock, and the only patriotism he's inspired is among those
inspired to put an early end to his incompetent misrule.
Australian politicians, meanwhile, are constrained by
Canberran
conventions.
It's called a functional parliamentary democracy. Fscking it up by
inviting a small-handed banana-republic strongman to seize power would
be an epic own goal, and if I didnt't already know from repeated
forwards that Catallaxy Files is the redoubt of morons, this suggestion
would have proved it.
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23 Mar
23 Mar
1:01 a.m.
On Friday, 23 March 2018 12:09:35 AM AEDT Rick Moen via luv-talk wrote:
'Catallaxy Files' is an Australian supposed
right-libertarian blog site.
Terry Colvin, a retired US military chap living in Thailand, sometimes
sees fit to forward its blog postings to the Skeptic mailing list.
It's a list of nobodies apart from Miranda Devine who's known for stupidity.
Anyone who knows anything at all about Australian politics knows that electing
a PM from Parliament doesn't allow someone to do what Trump does. If we could
elect a GG then maybe they could be like Trump, but we can't - and apart from
Carr there hasn't seemed to be any need to elect a GG.
Libertarians oppose any age of consent laws. Let's consider why a man who
lives in Thailand might support Libertarian politics...
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1:11 a.m.
Quoting Russell Coker (russell(a)coker.com.au):
Anyone who knows anything at all about Australian
politics knows that
electing a PM from Parliament doesn't allow someone to do what Trump
does. If we could elect a GG then maybe they could be like Trump, but
we can't - and apart from Carr there hasn't seemed to be any need to
elect a GG.
Certainly the powers of a PM are entirely different from those of the
head of the USA Executive Branch, completely setting aside the check on
PMs posed by the Governors-General. One thing many overseas observers
may not realise is that the Toddler-in-Chief has been historically inept
and _ineffective_ at using the powers of his office. He will go down in
history as almost certainly, by far, the least effective President ever.
Early on, he fooled even many of us domestic observers, because the
habit of taking Presidents seriously dies hard. I found myself doing
stunned double-takes on his early 'signing ceremonies', where I suddenly
realised what he was signing was a statement constructed in a way where
it had literally no effect, where he was doing the text equivalent of
merely madly waving his arms and doing nothing in the real world.
We-lot gradually realised over the first few months of Trump's reign of
error that it's a Potemkin presidency, and that that is actually the
good news. The evil he does while incompetent is bad enough; a
replacement who knew what he was doing would be a great deal worse.
Libertarians oppose any age of consent laws.
Let's consider why a man who
lives in Thailand might support Libertarian politics...
In fairness, Terry having forwarded that blog post doesn't mean he
agrees with it, nor 'support Libertarian [or libertarian] polices'.
FWIW, he's anti-Trump.
1:26 a.m.
On Friday, 23 March 2018 1:11:55 AM AEDT Rick Moen via luv-talk wrote:
He reads Libertarian sites and forwards their postings on multiple occasions.
That seems like support.
I'm still wondering why he chose to live in Thailand...
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Quoting Russell Coker (russell(a)coker.com.au):
It's not an issue of the powers being different. It's the process for
election and removal.
Australian history hasn't included a single PM being a tenth as incompetant,
nasty, or stupid as Trump before being removed. Latham's mental health
problems became apparent immediately after losing the election, we can only
imagine how long he would have lasted if Labor had won (not very long IMHO).
Abbot is widely regarded as brain damaged from boxing and is a religious
extremist and asshole apart from that. He won multiple awards for misogyny,
but did nothing to compare with Trump's pussy grabbing comments. He was
removed by his own party for general incompetance (apparently largely due to
being mentally incompetant to perform his job without his favourite advisor
who other MPs hated).
Anyone who knows anything at all about Australian
politics knows that
electing a PM from Parliament doesn't allow someone to do what Trump
does. If we could elect a GG then maybe they could be like Trump, but
we can't - and apart from Carr there hasn't seemed to be any need to
elect a GG.
Certainly the powers of a PM are entirely different from those of the
head of the USA Executive Branch, completely setting aside the check on PMs posed by the Governors-General. One thing many
overseas observers
may not realise is that the Toddler-in-Chief has been historically inept
and _ineffective_ at using the powers of his office. He will go down in
history as almost certainly, by far, the least effective President ever.
We can only hope.
We-lot gradually realised over the first few months of
Trump's reign of
error that it's a Potemkin presidency, and that that is actually the
good news. The evil he does while incompetent is bad enough; a
replacement who knew what he was doing would be a great deal worse.
True, which is why we don't want Pence.
Libertarians
oppose any age of consent laws. Let's consider why a man who
lives in Thailand might support Libertarian politics...
In fairness, Terry having forwarded that blog post doesn't mean he
agrees with it, nor 'support Libertarian [or libertarian] polices'.
FWIW, he's anti-Trump.
5:27 a.m.
Quoting Russell Coker (russell(a)coker.com.au):
It's not an issue of the powers being different.
It's the process for
election and removal.
Yes, there certainly is that.
The US Founding Fathers seem to have been ambivalent about no longer
having a monarch, and also lastingly afraid of 'mob rule', hence the
difficult process required for removal of Presidents, VPs, Federal
judges, and some similar officers, and the peculiar and inflexible
process for election. But, as I've stressed, it _was_ an experimental
effort.
True, which is why we don't want Pence.
Indeed. I keep warning people about Mike 'Torquemada' Pence, that there
is a 13th Century horror hiding behind the bland affability.
He reads Libertarian sites and forwards their postings
on multiple
occasions. That seems like support.
I am not sure. Terry forwards a variety of things. But he's very clear
on being anti-Trump. He also forwards Forteana.
I'm still wondering why he chose to live in
Thailand...
The obvious hypothesis: Because it was a cheap place to retire with his
wife, which is the reason many other Vietnam-era service people from the
USA have done so.
12:33 p.m.
Rick Moen via luv-talk wrote:
[Terry] also forwards Forteana.
For lurkers unfamiliar with this Americanism,
| Charles Fort (1874 – 1932) was an American writer and researcher who specialized in
anomalous phenomena.
| The terms Fortean and Forteana are sometimes used to characterize various such
phenomena.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortean#Fortean_phenomena
cf. http://www.weeklyworldnews.com (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_World_News)
1:20 p.m.
Quoting Trent W. Buck (trentbuck(a)gmail.com):
For lurkers unfamiliar with this Americanism,
| Charles Fort (1874 – 1932) was an American writer and researcher who specialized in
anomalous phenomena.
| The terms Fortean and Forteana are sometimes used to characterize various such
phenomena.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortean#Fortean_phenomena
My friend Leslie Fish has a musical version that I think captures the
right light-hearted spirit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyTIt4AioEI
1:44 p.m.
Quoting Trent W. Buck (trentbuck(a)gmail.com):
For lurkers unfamiliar with this Americanism,
| Charles Fort (1874 – 1932) was an American writer and researcher who specialized in
anomalous phenomena.
| The terms Fortean and Forteana are sometimes used to characterize various such
phenomena.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortean#Fortean_phenomena
Further to what I said a few minutes ago: Although Charles Fort was
indeed an American writer and researcher, the Fortean... pursuit?
passion? is an international phenomenon.
I was Secretary (and Board of Directors member) and then Chair of the
organisation Bay Area Skeptics for many long decades, and was (and am)
not alone among participants in the skeptic movement (organisations
favouring scientific scrutiny of fringe-science and fringe-medical
claims of fact) in having decidedly warm regard for Forteans. They
publish accounts of odd happenings, then metaphorically cackle madly and
say 'How are you going to explain _that_, then?' Despite a reputation
for being killjoys, we skeptics find the Forteans' sprit difficult to
resist, and reply 'Maybe we can't. Weird stuff happens. We're
fascinated by it, same as you.'
11:54 a.m.
Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
Libertarians oppose any age of consent laws.
Let's consider why a man who lives in Thailand might support Libertarian politics…
Age of consent in Thailand is 18yo (all sexes, all orientations).
This is higher than ALL Australian polities, and higher than or equal to ALL US polities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Thailand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Oceania#Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States
IMO implying that all anarchocapitalists are ephebophiles is
unreasonable and an argument ad hominem.
24 Mar
24 Mar
7:08 p.m.
On Friday, 23 March 2018 11:54:14 AM AEDT Trent W. Buck wrote:
Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
Dutch law on wholesale drug production and sale loosened a bit since I lived
there. But when I lived there it was illegal to buy or sell the quantities of
drugs needed to run a coffee shop. I guess I must have imagined the coffee
shops full of dozens of people smoking dope, as it was illegal for the coffee
shops to buy such quantities of dope it mustn't have happened.
Libertarians oppose any age of consent laws.
Let's consider why a man who lives in Thailand might support Libertarian
politics…
Age of consent in Thailand is 18yo (all sexes, all orientations).
This is higher than ALL Australian polities, and higher than or equal to ALL
US polities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia#Thailand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Oceania#Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States IMO implying that all anarchocapitalists are
ephebophiles is
unreasonable and an argument ad hominem.
I've had many discussions with Libertarians. There are some hipsters who
don't like the modern definition of words and want to use the word Libertarian
the same way it was used when their penny-farthing was in fashion. I think
they should be ignored.
Of all the people who identify as Libertarians in the modern meaning of the
word (as defined by Murray Rothbard) I've encountered several who argue that
there could theoretically be Libertarians who don't believe in the right to
starve children to death or to have no limits on child sex. But so far I
haven't encountered anyone who will say "I'm a Libertarian under the modern
right-wing meaning of the word and I think that child sex and child starvation
should be prohibited".
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