Re: [luv-talk] Victorian Liberals want to privatise ABC and SBS

Quoting "Craig Sanders" <cas@taz.net.au>
profit is an inherent inefficiency, one that is acceptable for many things (especially where there is significant *real* competition to offset that ineffeciency or for luxuries and frivolous things), but is completely unacceptable for either natural monopolies (like water, gas, electricity, and wired telecommmunications supply) or essential services like public transport (also a natural monopoly) and hospitals.
Everybody who worked for a consultancy knows that you are having two masters to please, the customer and the employer. Similar things happen in every privatised business serving public interests. E.g. Metro: They get money if they are punctual. So they run late trains as express now - and I have to wait for another train that serves my station (so instead of late I'm later). That is not in the customer's, the public interest but in Metro's. There are many examples, e.g. toll ways that get tweaked during the planning process to increase profit (improving traffic flows comes second) and others. BTW: I lived in Hanover. They built innercity freeways in the 60/70ies - and knocked them down 30 years later. They realised that innercity freeways don't improve traffic. Berlin, after unification, did not build many free-ways - they renovated, expanded and unified the railways. As a result you do not hurry to a railway station fearing to miss a train - you know that the next train comes in three or four minutes. If I miss my train here, I have to wait 20 minutes. and the train from Macauley station to Southern Cross (two stops, less than 5 km) takes usually more than 10, most times up to 20 minutes, parking before reaching North Melbourne and then at Southern Cross again, giving me 5 or 10 minutes to marvel at the Etihad Stadium (Not that I would be faster by car, there are already two level-crossings in Kensington less than a km apart..) Nope, we do not need any better ways to get the trains from North and West into town. We don't need the railway tunnel. Just dig up the Royal Park instead, for another congested freeway to get stuck in. And the world is flat. So far my "lefties' bias". Wondering why it is actually anything is "left" about thinking about solving infrastructure problems. Or learning from other places. This ostrich-like head in the sand attitude of the Liberals cannot be in their genes. AFAIK Liberal governments were around before, and Australia is a well developed place. I think this "left" vs. "right" is just intellectual laziness. Regards Peter

Everybody who worked for a consultancy knows that you are having two masters to please, the customer and the employer.
Similar things happen in every privatised business serving public interests.
Perhaps the most frightening recent example of this was US judges who received kickbacks from private juvenile prisons to convict youngsters. Thankfully they were caught, and perhaps ironically they were sent to prison. (Nota bene: I don't think that prisons are a particularly good solution to most offenses, but this was has a certain poetic justice) Pennsylvania judge sentenced to 28 years in prison for selling teens to prisons Disgraced Pennsylvania judge Mark Ciavarella Jr has been sentenced to 28 years in prison for conspiring with private prisons to sentence juvenile offenders to maximum sentences for bribes and kickbacks which totaled millions of dollars. He was also ordered to pay $1.2 million in restitution. In the private prison industry the more time an inmate spends in a facility, the more of a profit is reaped from the state. Ciavearella was a figurehead in a conspiracy in the state of Pennsylvania which saw thousands of young men and women unjustly punished and penalized in the name of corporate profit. Read more at: http://www.examiner.com/article/pennsylvania-judge-sentenced-to-28-years-pri... -- Lev Lafayette, mobile: 61 432 255 208 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

Quoting Lev Lafayette (lev@levlafayette.com):
Perhaps the most frightening recent example of this was US judges who received kickbacks from private juvenile prisons to convict youngsters.
I don't have links, but there was a very similar scandal a couple of years back in Switzerland, too -- a very rotten state of affairs, apparently.

Petros wrote:
This ostrich-like head in the sand attitude of the Liberals cannot be in their genes. AFAIK Liberal governments were around before, and Australia is a well developed place.
Perhaps relevant: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/02/political-failure-modes-...
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