Re: [luv-talk] kfreebsd dropped as an official release architecture for Debian Jessie

From: "Andrew McGlashan" <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au>
On 10/11/2014 5:30 PM, Chris Samuel wrote:
# We discussed kfreebsd at length, but are not satisfied that a # release with Jessie will be of sufficient quality. We are dropping # it as an official release architecture, though we do hope that the # porters will be able to make a simultaneous unofficial release.
So there we go.
Wow, so the "Lennart Poettering Linux" is the future then, with BTRFS too.
So sorry about the way things have turned out. Looks like FreeBSD direct will be the way forward for so many now.
Maybe a "saner" way anyway. pkgng has caught up with other package system and is not the pain it was. I do not see good reasons to run a Debian ecosystem on top of a FreeBSD kernel. With the "heart" of the distributions (and systemd is more than init and we do not even now what it is) under a control of a small team which is more or less run by Red Hat, Linux distributions will be as open as.. say OpenSolaris. Anyway, Open Source and GPL is "twisted" quite often in the Linux environment anyway. E.g. look at the Android phones and tablets. The spirit of the GPL was violated so countless times that it is probably not really working as we hoped ca. 20 years ago. So I do not see BSD licensing as a real problem. Regards Peter

Peter Ross wrote:
With the "heart" of the distributions (and systemd is more than init and we do not even now what it is) under a control of a small team which is more or less run by Red Hat, Linux distributions will be as open as.. say OpenSolaris.
IMO the heart of Debian is the Debian Policy manual, which explicitly sides with the integrator when upstreams do stupid things (like putting config files in /lib), so that they get fixed and users end up with a coherent system. I can forgive a lot for that. Re systemd, I recommend reading this: http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ I think what systemd has catalysed, will end up with "desktop" linux being a completely separate beast from "normal" linux, the same way android is now. i.e. they may share some common frameworks, but you can't share much work between them. If that happens, I don't know how Debian could support both camps.
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