How to prevent Gay Marriage Rights without even trying.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/churches-scaremongering-on-same-... My Gay friends are really pissed off at this nonsense. Why must the Greens continually insist that an individuals rights to freedom of association/religion is somehow anti same sex marriage. The tone of this obviously biased story is that people of religious bent are drones willing to listen to what is preached. Damn it! A person who commits to another person for life deserves common law rights. Mixing that up with religious mumbo jumbo will illicit responses like this Australian trash every time. ....someone needs to sit down with the Greens PR wankers and tell em to pull their head in!!! In short, the watermelons need to shut the fuck up or else they will screw up the very thing that they and majority of us want! BW
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis <brent.wallis@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/churches-scaremongering-on-same -sex-marriage-say-greens/story-e6frg6nf-1226397808679
My Gay friends are really pissed off at this nonsense.
Why must the Greens continually insist that an individuals rights to freedom of association/religion is somehow anti same sex marriage. The tone of this obviously biased story is that people of religious bent are drones willing to listen to what is preached.
The article reports that the top clergy have issued statements against marriage equality. Obviously they do so because they expect a significant portion of their congregation to do as they are told.
Mixing that up with religious mumbo jumbo will illicit responses like this Australian trash every time.
From the article: # "The legislation before parliament won't force church groups to marry anyone # they don't want to," said Senator Hanson-Young. # # Australian Marriage Equality national convenor Alex Greenwich appealed to # the church leaders for respect, saying same-sex marriage wouldn't impinge on # heterosexual rights. # # "I'd like to send a message to the priests and parishioners that we come in # peace, and we share your respect for the institution of marriage and ... for # freedom of religion," he told reporters in Sydney. Those seem like reasonable statements and comprise the most significant part of the article. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
*sigh* On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis <brent.wallis@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/churches-scaremongering-on-same -sex-marriage-say-greens/story-e6frg6nf-1226397808679
My Gay friends are really pissed off at this nonsense.
Why must the Greens continually insist that an individuals rights to freedom of association/religion is somehow anti same sex marriage. The tone of this obviously biased story is that people of religious bent are drones willing to listen to what is preached.
The article reports that the top clergy have issued statements against marriage equality. Obviously they do so because they expect a significant portion of their congregation to do as they are told.
For heavens sake please re read what I said. Your words here have completely ignored my statement: A persons associative choice does not implicitly imply that they are ignorant.
Mixing that up with religious mumbo jumbo will illicit responses like this Australian trash every time.
From the article: # "The legislation before parliament won't force church groups to marry anyone # they don't want to," said Senator Hanson-Young.
That's a passive aggressive statement. It works against the cause...why the fuck even say it? Answer: Makes the person making it look like some sort of hero for the cause. Outcome: Some people on the fence will fall the wrong way. BW
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis <brent.wallis@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis <brent.wallis@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/churches-scaremongering-on-s ame -sex-marriage-say-greens/story-e6frg6nf-1226397808679
My Gay friends are really pissed off at this nonsense.
Why must the Greens continually insist that an individuals rights to freedom of association/religion is somehow anti same sex marriage. The tone of this obviously biased story is that people of religious bent are drones willing to listen to what is preached.
The article reports that the top clergy have issued statements against marriage equality. Obviously they do so because they expect a significant portion of their congregation to do as they are told.
For heavens sake please re read what I said. Your words here have completely ignored my statement:
A persons associative choice does not implicitly imply that they are ignorant.
That statement wasn't in your previous message. The article in question only included the word "ignorance" once, I'll quote it for you: # Reverend Mike Hercock urged Christians attending Sunday services to make up # their own minds. # # "The enemy here is ignorance, and that is what the Australian Christian # lobby is relying upon," he told reporters after the video's launch. The article made no statement about whether Reverend Mike Hercock in any way represents the Greens, presumably he's just someone who agrees with marriage equality. Lots of clergy do nowadays. http://www.care2.com/causes/conservative-rabbis-approve-gay-marriage.html Even conservative Rabbis support marriage equality! It's clearly not a battle between atheists and religious people. Quoting Reverent Mike in the article makes it obvious.
Mixing that up with religious mumbo jumbo will illicit responses like this Australian trash every time.
From the article: # "The legislation before parliament won't force church groups to marry anyone # they don't want to," said Senator Hanson-Young.
That's a passive aggressive statement. It works against the cause...why the fuck even say it?
Why do you think it works against the cause? I've seen lots of discussions about marriage which involve people who claim that their church would be forced to marry gay couples. The number of people who believe such things makes it worth debunking IMHO.
Answer: Makes the person making it look like some sort of hero for the cause. Outcome: Some people on the fence will fall the wrong way.
If there were a few more Greens MPs and Senators then they would be in a better position to force the government to support such legislation. So getting more votes for the Greens is a really good thing. Marriage equality isn't going to happen in the current parliament, and maybe not the next one. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
If there were a few more Greens MPs and Senators then they would be in a better position to force the government to support such legislation.
That's what the Democrats used to say... No one in the Greens camp seems to truly grasp or understand the word "hubris". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris
getting more votes for the Greens is a really good thing. Marriage equality isn't going to happen in the current parliament, and maybe not the next one.
That maybe. But it could have if the Greens had of lead by example, and dared to take the bull by the horns instead of mucking around with power plays. Penny Wong is a great role model , and dare I say it , Bob as well. If both of these people really pushed we would have success sooner rather than later. But they won't because their respective parties are too busy trying to keep themselves relevant. Never forget that the Greens are holding on by virtue of the upper house cycle being longer than the lower house. Any new government with the guts to call a quick double dissolution well...perhaps then the Greens would understand hubris. We live in interesting times. BW
Brent Wallis wrote:
Penny Wong is a great role model , and dare I say it , Bob as well. If both of these people really pushed we would have success sooner rather than later.
Bob's gone: On 13 April 2012, Brown resigned as leader of the Greens and indicated his intention to resign from the Senate in June. This occurred on 15 June 2012.^[2] -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Brown
On Monday, June 18, 2012, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Brent Wallis wrote:
Penny Wong is a great role model , and dare I say it , Bob as well. If both of these people really pushed we would have success sooner rather than later.
Bob's gone:
On 13 April 2012, Brown resigned as leader of the Greens and indicated his intention to resign from the Senate in June. This occurred on 15 June 2012.^[2]
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Brown> Bob_Brown <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Brown>
Yes.... But being released from the parlimentary shackle has enabled many politicians ,on all sides , to do their best work. BW
_______________________________________________ luv-talk mailing list luv-talk@lists.luv.asn.au <javascript:;> http://lists.luv.asn.au/listinfo/luv-talk
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012, Brent Wallis wrote:
No one in the Greens camp seems to truly grasp or understand the word "hubris". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris
Last time I had this word in mind was at a religious congregation organisized by a "modern church" in the Eastern suburbs. There was a message from the church leaders passed, to "save our marriage", and there were some members who voiced their opinion that gay couples don't need marriage rights, that these poor souls need a cure to be lead back to the right path. It was Melbourne 2012. Hard to believe it. Peter
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012, Peter Ross <Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de> wrote:
There was a message from the church leaders passed, to "save our marriage", and there were some members who voiced their opinion that gay couples don't need marriage rights, that these poor souls need a cure to be lead back to the right path.
It was Melbourne 2012. Hard to believe it.
It's easy to believe it, we have had similar stuff on this list quite recently. The person in question was mislead by their favourite religious leader which incidentally disproves any claims about the clergy not having influence. http://www.tonedeaf.com.au/news/local-news/172608/exsavage-garden-singer- slams-salvation-armys-homophobic-stance.htm There's currently a news issue about Darren Hayes Tweeting about the Salvos. It's interesting to note that 2 Tweets by Darren get an 11 paragraph news article, an official response from the Salvos, and probably more news as well. The power of celebrity! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPwKohkCKMg The above URL has the full version of the original "To the Moon and Back" video. IMHO that's Darren's best work. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
participants (4)
-
Brent Wallis -
Peter Ross -
Russell Coker -
Trent W. Buck