Re: [luv-talk] Reading the Bible

Quoting Michael Scott (mds@inoz.net):
Matthew 28"19 j <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2028.19-20#footnote1>Go therefore and k <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2028.19-20#footnote2>make disciples of l <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2028.19-20#footnote3>all nations, j <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2028.19-20#footnote3>baptizing them m <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2028.19-20#footnote4>in2 <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2028.19-20#footnote5> n <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2028.19-20#footnote6>the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them o <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2028.19-20#footnote7>to observe all that p <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2028.19-20#footnote8>I have commanded you. And behold, q <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2028.19-20#footnote9>I am with you always, to r <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2028.19-20#footnote10>the end of the age.”
Romans 10:13-14 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
Mark 16:15 <https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+16%3A15&version=ESV> And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.
What the fsck is this, a witnessing? {sigh} OK, the Mark 16:15 bit is at least getting there. Context is this is (pardon my irreverence) zombie Jesus speaking after the tomb got reopened. However, please note that he said 'Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation' as an instruction to the eleven remaining disciples. (I guess at this point Judas Iscariot had been voted off the island.) Jesus is NOT quoted as saying this shall be a task for all future co-religionists. He said 'Go...' to the eleven blokes. Note that a couple of verses before, he'd ghost-hullo'ed to Mary Magdalene but didn't tell _her_ to wander the globe being a religion salesman. So, all told, why are you cocluding that Jesus was saying everyone in the future (but oddly not Mary Magdalene) would be so charged? And, getting back to my earlier point, if this is a critical instruction incumbent on all future devotees, why did only Mark think to mention it? Hmm? (But wait, I've just cross-checked.) Actually, I see that one of the other links you hurled out, Matthew 28:19, covers the same zombie Jesus speech to the eleven remaining disciples. (Would it have hurt you to have mentioned this?) Interestingly, the two accounts clash about where this was. Mark just says it was where they were eating. That would logically be in or really near Jerusalem, as people didn't just casually get on an interurban bus, back then. Matthew says it was in Galilee. Take the word of someone who's driven on the still-awful roads from Jerusalem to northern Israel, that's a pretty serious trip. But once again, Matthew gives this oddly specific instruction _very_ directly to the remaining eleven. If he'd meant '...and also I charge this upon all future followers', wouldn't he have logically said so? Now, I also have to back off and review our differrent perspectives. To you, holy wisdom verbatim of your god; to me, a book. Specifically, a book about which it's abundantly clear its text was nowhere near contemporaneous, and shows very clear signs of tampering to support later institutional politics. IMO, there has been backfilling of both myth and later doctrine, and I see in these passages among others the hand of the one-eyed Jew who couldn't get laid, Saint Paul the politicker and noted misogynist. You would of course greatly disagree, but that's what makes horse races. Romans 10:13-14: That is NOT Jesus speaking. You are deciding to move the goalposts. I didn't ask you what the one-eyed Jew who couldn't get laid, Saint Paul the politicker and noted misogynist, had to say. If memory serves, didn't I ask you where _Jesus_ asked this thing of all future followers? Also, say... Didn't I just get through asking you if you were claiming I was lying? You certainly seemed to be. As I said, I would much rather think well of people, but if you are going to wander around attempting casual character assassination and then ignoring polite queries about whether you are _sure_ you mean that slur, then there really is absolutely no future in our conversing, and we would be better off disengaging pending the heat death of the universe, right now. I'm serious, dude. You have started down a path on which nothing good can ensue.

Rick Moen via luv-talk wrote:
Take the word of someone who's driven on the still-awful roads from Jerusalem to northern Israel, that's a pretty serious trip.
Ah, but you're forgetting to take into account continental drift! I'm sure they were much closer together back in the olden days.
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