On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 06:23:45PM +1000, Alex Hutton wrote:
Craig Sanders wrote:
To start with, their foundational article of
faith, the "free market"
that they bleat on and on about does not exist, never has existed, and
never can exist - it's a theoretical ideal that assumes a perfectly
frictionless market with perfectly *rational* actors (both buyers and
sellers) who *always* act in their own best interest, and that there are
no systemic factors that inhibit competition. It's a thought-experiment,
not a description (or even a prescription) of the real world.
A free market does not require [blah,blah,blah]
you know, if you're going to blather on about something, you'd sound a
little less foolish if you actually bothered to do some minimal research
on the subject. it might enable you to get away with pretending you had
some understanding of what you were talking about.
read up on real libertarianism, as defined in the rest of the
world, and before american anarcho-capitalists hijacked the term. here's
a good starting point:
No thanks. I do not see how you can have compulsory central planning
and still call it a system of anarchy.
you obviously didn't read ANY of that page. i'll bet you just saw the word
'socialism' and responded in a knee-jerk fashion.
where's the "compulsory central planning" in this (the first three
paragraphs of the linked wikipedia article)?
Libertarian socialism (sometimes called social anarchism, and
sometimes left libertarianism) is a group of political philosophies
that promote a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic society without
private property in the means of production. Libertarian socialists
believe in converting present-day private property into the
commons or public goods, while retaining respect for personal
property. Libertarian socialism is opposed to coercive forms of
social organization. It promotes free association in place of
government and opposes the social relations of capitalism, such
as wage labor. The term libertarian socialism is used by some
socialists to differentiate their philosophy from state socialism or
by some as a synonym for left anarchism.
Adherents of libertarian socialism assert that a society based
on freedom and equality can be achieved through abolishing
authoritarian institutions that control certain means of production
and subordinate the majority to an owning class or political and
economic elite. Libertarian socialism also constitutes a tendency
of thought that promotes the identification, criticism, and
practical dismantling of illegitimate authority in all aspects of
Accordingly, libertarian socialists believe that "the exercise of
power in any institutionalized form - whether economic, political,
religious, or sexual - brutalizes both the wielder of power and the
one over whom it is exercised". Libertarian socialists generally
place their hopes in decentralized means of direct democracy such as
libertarian municipalism, citizens' assemblies, trade unions, and
i guess in your alternate reality of Loony Libertaria, "decentralised
democracy" is synonymous with "compulsory central planning".
one of the primary differences between american style Libertarianism
(aka anarcho-capitalism) and the above is that anarcho-capitalists
believe that wealth (or more correctly, control over the means of
production) entitles someone to economically enslave other people, and
that such slavery is GOOD for everyone involved and good for society.
libertarian socialists disagree, vehemently.
Rohan McLeod wrote :
-the consequence of globalisation is to move jobs
to places with low
labor costs and raise unemployment elsewhere.
-the consequence of inadequately regulated stock-markets are
non-productive booms and busts
there is a longer 'rant' here:
Those two points are largely due to fractional reserve lending,
central banking and fiat currency.
oh no, you're a gold-standard loon too.
let's see, do you have the trifecta - do you believe that there is a
conspiracy involving Prince Philip and the World Wildlife Federation to
depopulate the world? That "environmentalism" is just a code-word for
All of which are forms of
intervention in the market by governments.
as are: copyrights, patents, property laws, national borders, passports,
health and safety regulations, financial regulations, stock markets,
limitation of liability for companies, granting of corporate charters,
legal recognition of corporations as "persons", and millions of other
craig sanders <cas(a)taz.net.au>
BOFH excuse #98:
The vendor put the bug there.