
Assembled cogniscenti; just wonder what is the established wisdom regarding: "Pre-emptive masking of browser history at ISP" in the light of : http://www.pressherald.com/2016/11/26/under-new-law-authorities-may-view-int... regards Rohan McLeod

What a shame that the British do not have a proper bill of rights so governments can do as they please. While the same attempts were and are done in Germany (and the European Union) again and again, they were sometimes spoiled by the Constitutional Court. The British legislation would certainly not pass. Article 12 ans 14 of the constitution declare privacy of your home and communications as a fundamental right. My 2 cents in the "We (do not) need a Bill of Rights debate." Any chance to get that going in Australia? Regards Peter On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Rohan McLeod via luv-talk <luv-talk@luv.asn.au> wrote:
Assembled cogniscenti;
just wonder what is the established wisdom regarding:
"Pre-emptive masking of browser history at ISP"
in the light of :
http://www.pressherald.com/2016/11/26/under-new-law-authorities-may-view-int...
regards Rohan McLeod
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On Thursday, 8 December 2016 11:13:50 AM AEDT Peter Ross via luv-talk wrote:
While the same attempts were and are done in Germany (and the European Union) again and again, they were sometimes spoiled by the Constitutional Court.
The British legislation would certainly not pass.
Article 12 ans 14 of the constitution declare privacy of your home and communications as a fundamental right.
My 2 cents in the "We (do not) need a Bill of Rights debate."
Any chance to get that going in Australia?
A bill of rights would also give rights to Muslims, Jews, and Aboriginies. That would make it difficult to pass. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

http://www.humanrightscommission.vic.gov.au/index.php/the-charter/rights-und... The Victorian Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities contains twenty basic rights that promote and protect the values of freedom, respect, equality and dignity.: 13 Privacy and reputation A person has the right— (a) not to have his or her privacy, family, home or correspondence unlawfully or arbitrarily interfered with; and (b) not to have his or her reputation unlawfully attacked. It contains other sections related to Aboriginal people and freedom of religion. But this protection is very week, mainly because of this: 31 Override by Parliament (1) Parliament may expressly declare in an Act that that Act or a provision of that Act or another Act or a provision of another Act has effect despite being incompatible with one or more of the human rights or despite anything else set out in this Charter. Besides this Charter does not apply to Federal laws. One more point for Vicxit;-) Anyway, religions are protected by the Federal constitution: "The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth." Regards Peter On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
On Thursday, 8 December 2016 11:13:50 AM AEDT Peter Ross via luv-talk wrote:
While the same attempts were and are done in Germany (and the European Union) again and again, they were sometimes spoiled by the Constitutional Court.
The British legislation would certainly not pass.
Article 12 ans 14 of the constitution declare privacy of your home and communications as a fundamental right.
My 2 cents in the "We (do not) need a Bill of Rights debate."
Any chance to get that going in Australia?
A bill of rights would also give rights to Muslims, Jews, and Aboriginies. That would make it difficult to pass.
-- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/

On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 02:45:30PM +1100, Peter Ross wrote:
"The Commonwealth shall not make any law for [...], or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, [...]
I've always interpreted that to mean that no law can prevent me from practising my mesoamerican revival religion or any of its sacred rituals. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>

Hi Craig,
"The Commonwealth shall not make any law for [...], or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, [...]
I've always interpreted that to mean that no law can prevent me from practising my mesoamerican revival religion or any of its sacred rituals.
Does it include human sacrifices? Cheers Peter

On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 04:39:57PM +1100, Peter Ross wrote:
"The Commonwealth shall not make any law for [...], or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, [...]
I've always interpreted that to mean that no law can prevent me from practising my mesoamerican revival religion or any of its sacred rituals.
Does it include human sacrifices?
that's a sacred religious ritual you're talking about. it deserves as much protection and respect and privilege over the laws of society as any other. christian, jewish, buddhist, muslim and other religions all have exemption from tax, discrimination, and some other laws - we neo-aztecs need the same kind of privilege over laws in order to practice our religion. and it's pretty clear from precedent that human rights are no obstacle. the commonwealth shall not make any law prohibiting the free exercise of any religion. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>

On Thursday, 8 December 2016 8:09:01 PM AEDT Craig Sanders via luv-talk wrote:
Does it include human sacrifices?
that's a sacred religious ritual you're talking about. it deserves as much protection and respect and privilege over the laws of society as any other.
christian, jewish, buddhist, muslim and other religions all have exemption from tax, discrimination, and some other laws - we neo-aztecs need the same kind of privilege over laws in order to practice our
The religious exemptions have always only ever applied to "European" religions. If the Aboriginal religions had been given any regard in the entire history of Australia then things would be quite different. Any god that wants white people to kill non-white people and steal their land gets exemptions, the others don't. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
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Craig Sanders
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Rohan McLeod
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Russell Coker