On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 04:12:19PM +1000, russell(a)coker.com.au wrote:
On Thursday, 1 June 2017 7:40:40 PM AEST Craig Sanders
via luv-talk wrote:
Both my phone (~2010 HTC Desire HD) and my tablet
(2012 Nexus 7) are
ancient so it's about time to upgrade one or both of them. looking
for some recommendations...
What exactly do you want from a new phone given your stated plan to
use no apps other than a simple calculator?
4G is about the only good reason I have to upgrade the phone and even
that's not essential.
other than 4G, the main motivation for replacing it is that it's ~ 7
years old now, and won't last forever. Also, i've already replaced
the battery on it once, doing that again (probably necessary in the
next year or so) seems like a waste of money that could be put towards
a newer phone. The CPUs and other componenets have improved a lot in
those 7 years.
- ARM CPU
fast enough that I won't have to consider upgrading for
another 5+ years
- 1920x1080 resolution absolute minimum. more is better.
- 8" minimum, 10" or larger preferred. something that can fit a
full A4 or US Letter PDF page and still be readable without having
Maybe a larger phone would be an option. A Nexus 6P meets most of
those criteria, it's screen at 5.7" isn't that much smaller than your
stated minimum and may allow you to only carry one device.
not as a tablet replacement. i want something with a larger, higher
resolution screen than my nexus 7.
i mostly want it for more of what i'm currently using it for plus i've
recently re-discovered qpython and want to write my own custom apps for
it (mostly simple database things without the spyware and excessive
permissions demanded by the garbage in google's play store). Also Termux
and command line sh, awk, perl etc scripts - with a bluetooth keyboard
and Termux I can use it as a tiny laptop substitute.
i do some of that now with the 7" nexus, but the screen's a little too
small and squinty for that to be comfortable.
Tablet size and weight does not bother me. i never go anywhere without
at least my roughly A4-sized satchel and often a small backpack too.
One last thing
- if I get a tablet that has 4G capability, does
anyone know if it's possible or easy to put my SIM card in the
tablet and use my existing HTC phone as a handset via bluetooth or
That might be difficult as phones aren't designed for it. But most
(maybe all) tablets that will take a SIM can make and receive calls.
As they support bluetooth they should work with a bluetooth headset
in the same way as a phone, or you could use wired headphones with a
built-in microphone for calls.
i'll stick to separate devices for phone and tablet then. which means
i'll probably only upgrade the tablet. the phone can wait until either
the HTC dies or 4G becomes essential.
i remember seeing a brand of phone & tablet a few years ago that could
do this, was one of its selling-point features. might have been one of
the LG models, maybe not. but it seemed like it was a brand-specific
bit of software...i was hoping that there was a generic app to do it.
searching for anything on google's play store that you don't already
know the exact name of is beyond pointless - there's so many worthless
spammy and/or spyware and/or malware shit apps there(*) that you can't
find anything, millions of turds hiding the rare useful thing.
fdroid's better, but they didn't have anything like that when i
(*) hooray for the "free market". hooray for "consumer choice".
(*) Why purge
the youtube app? because every time i enable wifi
on the tablet, it becomes completely unusable for at least 10-20
minutes while youtube, hangouts, and the rest of the thundering herd
of unwanted apps that can't be removed go apeshit trying to connect
to google spyware HQ.
You can configure recent versions of Android to not allow those
apps to talk to the Internet in the background. There's a "network
restrictions" page that allows you to set which Wifi APs are running
on 3G/4G (or otherwise pay for data) and which are unlimited and
my nexus 7 runs Android 5. there doesn't seem to be any such option.
i made the mistake of NOT rooting it and installing cyanogenmod as soon
as i got it and now i've got too much stuff on it that i don't want to
lose (rooting it will erase it) or have to backup and then sort through
and manually copy/reinstall. laziness, i know...it would only take a day
or so to backup, root, re-flash, and then restore my data.
cyanognmod/lineage may have more recent versions, but this tablet is
barely capable of running v5.x. When I get another tablet, I'll wipe
this one and install an AOSP-based Android 4 ROM on it.
Turn off background data on youtube, hangouts, play
store), maps, and Chrome and you'll achieve your stated aim.
no, i won't.
i want these apps not to run at all. i want them to not even be
installed. there's no reason for them to be running in the background,
and there's no reason for them to be even installed. I *never* use
them so there's no excuse for them to be running, ever. this is not
an exaggeration or me just forgetting that i sometimes use them, it
is the literal truth - i NEVER use them and NEVER want to use them.
I looked at youtube once on this tablet years ago and decided "nope,
too slow, too annoying. and no adblock", but apart from that I have
never once chosen to run them, ever....but they always start up when
wifi is enabled. this is an anti-feature - i have no idea what, if
anything, they are reporting to google, or why all these apps are trying
to connect, and it certainly does not benefit me at all for the tablet
to become unusable for 10 minutes if i enable wifi to quickly (ha!)
check something on the internet or fetch something from my network.
when i want to watch something on youtube, i have a perfectly good
desktop machine with a choice of browsers and a nice 27" 1440p monitor
by "unusable", i mean that the tablet can take a minute or more to
respond to any touch event. per touch. after 10 or 20 minutes or so it
settles down and becomes usable again, but is noticably noticably slower
than when wifi is disabled even if i'm not actively using the network. i
usually run the tablet in airplane mode to maximise battery life.
PS: i am in no
great hurry to upgrade, so if there's a new
generation of cpus/screens etc just about to be released, i'm happy
to wait for that.
Maybe there is. Google has no tablet offering at this time and the
range of tablets that Kogan is offering is very small.
The Samsung Tab A is one of the models I'm considering. I've seen some
reasonable prices (around $330-$380) for 2016 models, but that's with
only 16GB storage which is not quite enough. My nexus 7 has 32GB and
with a faster tablet i'm likely to use it for more things and thus use
more storage space.
craig sanders <cas(a)taz.net.au>