24 Aug
2013
24 Aug
'13
6:02 p.m.
True phone conversation at about 17.30 today (24/8/13)...
ring ring...ring ring ... pickup and answer.
"This is Jason from Microsoft technical department. I am calling you to inform you
that your internet connection will
be cancelled as from tonite .. "
Response, in throaty voice - as I got a sore throat :
"Oh really, did you know Mr Balmer resigned? Your boss resigned - he quit his
job!!... What happened? Mr Balmer
resigned as boss of Microsoft!! May be YOU will lose your internet connection?.. Do you
know?? .."
............................................................... long silence, voices in
the background ...then
"This is what I have been told to notify you.." ... Jason hanged up!!
Wonder if Jason got shit scared he will lose his job??? !!!
Disclaimer: No connection intended with to Jason's on this list. This is purely
coincindetal.
Daniel
25 Aug
25 Aug
2:19 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 06:02:59PM +1000, Daniel Jitnah wrote:
...
Disclaimer: No connection intended with to Jason's
on this list. This is purely coincindetal.
Daniel
As per a previous thread, the above should read:
"Disclaimer: No connection intended with to Jasons on this list. This is purely
coincindetal."
The plural of Jason is Jasons. No apostrophe needed.
Cheers ... Duncan.
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3:10 p.m.
Daniel Jitnah wrote:
True phone conversation at about 17.30 today
(24/8/13)...
"This is Jason from Microsoft technical department. I am calling you to inform you
that your internet connection will
be cancelled as from tonite .. "
In case it's not obvious, this was probably a fishing attack.
If you had said "OMG really? Oh no!" he would have move to phase two:
convincing you to install a remote viewing server on your Windows box,
so he can turn it into a zombie or pull your bank details or whatever.
3:27 p.m.
On 25/08/13 15:10, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Daniel Jitnah wrote:
Yes, I
actually have a video screen capture of an actual attack session
which I recorded a while back in a XP Virtualbox snapshot VM made
specially for the purpose.!! Its about 1/2 hr long, through a lot of
it nothing happens while "Jason" goes on and on about how my PC is
infected and I am doomed etc. Pity it has no audio. When I have time
I will edit and make it viewable in say 5-10 mins, with comments or
voice over.
BTW for those who were at the July Beginners, when I talked about that
and there rest.... the website they lead you to, and which I was talking
about is "dial4tech.us" - I believe there is also a dial4tech.uk?
Interestingly it also shows a Sydney or NSW phone number as Australian
contact!!
Cheers
Daniel
True phone conversation at about 17.30 today
(24/8/13)...
"This is Jason from Microsoft technical department. I am calling you to inform you
that your internet connection will
be cancelled as from tonite .. "
In case it's not obvious, this was
probably a fishing attack.
If you had said "OMG really? Oh no!" he would have move to phase two:
convincing you to install a remote viewing server on your Windows box,
so he can turn it into a zombie or pull your bank details or whatever. 
3:59 p.m.
On 25/08/2013 3:27 PM, Daniel Jitnah wrote:
That might be a bit interesting, but what makes you think that
everything that was done, was visible? Remote cmd shell execution via
psexec for instance....
There are installers that will allow /quiet and hidden/ installation
options.
They may also traverse your home network, possibly infecting or owning
other Windows boxen. Oh and many of the XP exploits will go in hiding
(and most probably have already), to ensure that M$ doesn't patch them
up before D-Day for XP in April next year.
You need a before and after full registry export for comparison, as well
as a full image of any possibly touched file systems, boot records or
anything else that could be compromised.
Anybody still running XP on ANY machine beyond April next year is really
going to be asking for trouble, unless they are completely disconnected
from any kind of Internet access at any time in the future.
Cheers
A.
If you had
said "OMG really? Oh no!" he would have move to phase two:
convincing you to install a remote viewing server on your Windows box,
so he can turn it into a zombie or pull your bank details or whatever.
Yes, I
actually have a video screen capture of an actual attack session
which I recorded a while back in a XP Virtualbox snapshot VM made
specially for the purpose.!! Its about 1/2 hr long, through a lot of
it nothing happens while "Jason" goes on and on about how my PC is
infected and I am doomed etc. Pity it has no audio. When I have time
I will edit and make it viewable in say 5-10 mins, with comments or
voice over. 
26 Aug
26 Aug
10:54 a.m.
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Daniel Jitnah wrote:
On 25/08/13 15:10, Trent W. Buck wrote:
> Daniel Jitnah wrote:
>> True phone conversation at about 17.30 today (24/8/13)...
>> ... the website they lead you to, and which I was talking
>> about is "dial4tech.us"
Being curious about the difference between ".us" and " " ; I
discovered
"Why choose .US?
* To register a .US domain, you must have a presence in the United
States. Visitors to your site will know their information is secure
* You'll be internationally respected as a site with American values
* With many .US domain names still available, you'll be sure to get
the website name you want "
on: http://www.domain.com/domains/tlds/us.bml
Which opens up the possibility of a conversation:
" I notice your organisation doesn't have a ".us" domain name;
which of the above criteria does it not fulfill ? " :- )
regards Rohan McLeod
12:03 p.m.
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Daniel Jitnah wrote:
> On 25/08/13 15:10, Trent W. Buck wrote:
>> Daniel Jitnah wrote:
>>> True phone conversation at about 17.30 today (24/8/13)...
>>> ... the website they lead you to, and which I was talking
>>> about is "dial4tech.us"
Yes of course. To add to this story,
I also checked who is the domain
was registered to.
And I don't remember how exactly I find that out that (some google
search sequence?) but the person named is mentionned to live at an
address somewhere in Baltimore, USA. .. and following this address
traced him on googlemap and from a real estate website, the address was
described as being a house for sale and home of a young Indian/(or
Asian) couple. (got to admit my memory a little bit hazy, it may not be
Baltimore, but I certainly remember finding the place on google street
view! - was a very MacMansion type of house with a large garage and
driveway!, similar to a house you'd find in newish outer Melb suburbs,
such as Cranbourne.
Cheers,
Daniel.
Being curious about the difference between ".us" and " " ; I
discovered
"Why choose .US?
* To register a .US domain, you must have a presence in the United
States. Visitors to your site will know their information is secure
* You'll be internationally respected as a site with American values
* With many .US domain names still available, you'll be sure to get
the website name you want "
on: http://www.domain.com/domains/tlds/us.bml
Which opens up the possibility of a conversation:
" I notice your organisation doesn't have a ".us" domain name;
which of the above criteria does it not fulfill ? " :- )
regards Rohan McLeod
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1:19 p.m.
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Daniel Jitnah wrote:
Goodness it's frightening what can be discovered !.
I am curious how long the conversation would persist if one resolutely
and obtusely persisted,
with the delusion that ' oh Microsoft support has finally got back to me
about that bug I reported.........'
Should confess that when bored, I have occasionally played such games
with sales people trying to sell me a
new phone account !
regards Rohan McLeod
Daniel Jitnah
wrote:
> On 25/08/13 15:10, Trent W. Buck wrote:
>> Daniel Jitnah wrote:
>>> True phone conversation at about 17.30 today (24/8/13)...
>>> ... the website they lead you to, and which I was talking
>>> about is "dial4tech.us"
Yes of course. To add to this
story, I also checked who is the domain
was registered to.
............snip - was a very MacMansion type of house with a large garage and
driveway!, similar to a house you'd find in newish outer Melb suburbs,
such as Cranbourne.
12:06 p.m.
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Rohan McLeod wrote:
Which opens up the possibility of a conversation:
" I notice your organisation doesn't have a ".us" domain name;
which of the above criteria does it not fulfill ? " :- )
I once asked why hcoop.net was not h.coop.
They met the criteria, but a .coop registration was significantly more
expensive than a .net registration. (sigh!)
IME US companies don't bother with a .us domain because the
.com/.edu/.mil &c TLDs are implicitly US-centric, so why bother with a
ccTLD? That's only for nasty foreigners who were too LAZY to build
their own internet!
...oh, but they like .us for stupid "domain hacks".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_hack
8:09 p.m.
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FWIW,
There is a new version... just got a call 5 mins ago...
"This is Julie from Telstra. We have been receiving error messages from
your internet registration number ...."
"What is my internet registration number?"
"<<< undecipherable garbage >>>
What is my internet registraion number???"
Julie hanged up.
Was having dinner no time to play anyway!'' Got them twice today!! was
busy earlier. I hanged up.
Daniel
On Mon, 2013-08-26 at 12:06 +1000, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Rohan McLeod wrote:
Which opens up the possibility of a
conversation:
" I notice your organisation doesn't have a ".us" domain name;
which of the above criteria does it not fulfill ? " :- )
I once asked why hcoop.net was not h.coop.
They met the criteria, but a .coop registration was significantly more
expensive than a .net registration. (sigh!)
IME US companies don't bother with a .us domain because the
.com/.edu/.mil &c TLDs are implicitly US-centric, so why bother with a
ccTLD? That's only for nasty foreigners who were too LAZY to build
their own internet!
...oh, but they like .us for stupid "domain hacks".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_hack
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27 Aug
27 Aug
10:30 a.m.
New subject: True phone conversation .. trivial digression
Quoting Trent W. Buck (trentbuck(a)gmail.com):
Rohan McLeod wrote:
Which opens up the possibility of a
conversation:
" I notice your organisation doesn't have a ".us" domain name;
which of the above criteria does it not fulfill ? " :- )
I once asked why hcoop.net was not h.coop.
They met the criteria, but a .coop registration was significantly more
expensive than a .net registration. (sigh!) IME US companies don't bother with a .us domain
because the
.com/.edu/.mil &c TLDs are implicitly US-centric, so why bother with a
ccTLD?
The major gTLDs are not so much implicitly US-centric as they are
Internet default assumptions among users everywhere.
Let's see, examples:
Most famous company of Scotland is arguably The Royal Bank of Scotland
plc (RBS), which is a subsidiary of Royal Bank of Scotlands Group plc.
The holding company is at http://www.rbs.com/, which cross-links to the
retail banking site for the UK, http://www.rbs.co.uk/
Famous German company? Let's try Bayer AG. Corporate site is
http://www.bayer.com/ . (There are of course many subsidiaries.)
Famous French company? Citroen SA, which I see is now part of holding
company PSA Peugeot Citroen Group. Corporate site:
http://www.citroen.com/ (There are national subsidiary sites including
http://www.citroen.com.au/ and http://www.citroen.co.uk/ .)
Hmm, Air France (technically, Société Air France, S.A.) -- can't get
much more French than that. It's part of holding company Air
France-KLM Group, and the French Republic owns a bit over 50% of the
shares of one or the other of those. Corporate site:
http://www.airfrance.com/
My point is that the major gTLDs are an international default
assumption, much more than they are 'implicitly US-centric'.
11:35 a.m.
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Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Trent W. Buck (trentbuck(a)gmail.com):
> ............ much snipped:
> My point is that the major gTLDs are an international default
> assumption, much more than they are 'implicitly US-centric'.
Yes; well " " does seem logically ( in the sense of 'not specific to
any nation') ; to be a good fit for 'international';
one wonders then, how the system would be extended to extra-terrestrial
locations ?
regards Rohan McLeod
12:51 p.m.
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Yes; well " " does seem logically ( in the sense of 'not specific to
any nation') ; to be a good fit for 'international';
one wonders then, how the system would be extended to extra-terrestrial
locations ?
Following the scheme, it would logically have to be:
luv.asn.au.earth, luv.asn.au.mars
luv.asn.au.earth.our_solar_system
luv.asn.au.earth.our_solar_system.milkyway ...
Don't you worry, the is an infinite supply of LUV to keep on spreading!! :)
But there does lie a problem! Is there a common name for 'our_solar_system'??
never heard of one? (probably an
astronomical identification exists)
May be its time to name "our_solar_system" .... uuhmmmm.... "Solar system
Luv" ??? ...
(perhaps deliberately decapitalised to lose the acronym meaning?).
Cheers,
Daniel.
regards
Rohan McLeod
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4:31 p.m.
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Daniel Jitnah wrote:
luv.asn.au.earth, luv.asn.au.mars
At least TCP/IP has trouble with AU distances over c-speed fabrics;
there is an IETF Working Group looking into it.
(I can't remember their name, but quack finds http://www.dtnrg.org/.)
But there does lie a problem! Is there a common name
for
'our_solar_system'?? never heard of one? (probably an astronomical
identification exists)
Sol.
4:56 p.m.
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Trent W. Buck wrote:
Daniel Jitnah wrote:
...............snip
One can even imagine a solar terrestrial linux
enthusiast's group
entitled " Linux User-group Solar Terrestrial " ? :- |
regards Rohan McLeod
But there does lie a problem! Is there a common
name for
'our_solar_system'?? never heard of one? (probably an astronomical
identification exists)
Sol.
5:32 p.m.
New subject: TLD's (was True phone conversation .. trivial digression)
On 27/08/13 16:56, Rohan McLeod wrote:
Trent W. Buck wrote:
> Daniel Jitnah wrote:
> ...............snip
>> But there does lie a problem! Is there a common name for
>> 'our_solar_system'?? never heard of one? (probably an astronomical
>> identification exists)
> Sol.
Actually, need to correct myself. The name is "Solar_System".
While we commonly talk of other "solar systems", its of course correctly
"Planetary systems"
(The Solar System is a Planetary system.)
so luv.asn.au.earth.solar_system.milkyway. or
luv.asn.au.earth.sol.milkyway
One can even imagine a solar terrestrial linux
enthusiast's group
entitled " Linux User-group Solar Terrestrial " ? :- |
regards Rohan McLeod
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5:48 p.m.
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On 27 August 2013 17:32, Daniel Jitnah <djitnah(a)greenwareit.com.au> wrote:
so luv.asn.au.earth.solar_system.milkyway. or
luv.asn.au.earth.sol.milkyway
why not...
luv.asn.au.earth.sol.oca.mw.lg.vsc
oca = Orion Cygnus Arm
mw = milkyway
lg = local group
vsc = Virgo super cluster
????
5:44 p.m.
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On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Rohan McLeod <rhn(a)jeack.com.au> wrote:
Trent W. Buck wrote:
<snip>
One can even imagine a solar terrestrial linux enthusiast's group
entitled " Linux User-group Solar Terrestrial " ? :- |
I could see Linux Users Victoria having a largely older membership
while Linux User-group Solar Terrestrial would have a large amount of
teenagers in it ranks
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6:32 p.m.
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On 27/08/13 12:51 PM, Daniel Jitnah wrote:
But there does lie a problem! Is there a common name
for 'our_solar_system'?? never heard of one? (probably an
astronomical identification exists)
.sol (common name for our sun :) ). :) - name
it after the parent star. :D
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6:57 p.m.
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Tony Langdon skrev 2013-08-27 10:32:
On 27/08/13 12:51 PM, Daniel Jitnah wrote:
Why not .sun then since the internet is primarily in English, not Latin
or Portuguese or Norwegian or ...
But there does lie a problem! Is there a common
name for 'our_solar_system'?? never heard of one? (probably an
astronomical identification exists)
.sol (common name for our sun :) ). :) - name
it after the parent star. :D
7:06 p.m.
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On 27/08/2013 6:57 PM, Anders Holmström wrote:
Tony Langdon skrev 2013-08-27 10:32:
Because Larry and Oracle would get their noses out of joint and start
throwing lawyers against anyone who tried?
Regards,
Morrie.
</Tongue_in_cheek>
On 27/08/13 12:51 PM, Daniel Jitnah wrote:
Why not .sun then since the internet is primarily in English, not Latin
or Portuguese or Norwegian or ... But there does lie a problem! Is there a common
name for 'our_solar_system'?? never heard of one? (probably an
astronomical identification exists)
.sol (common name for our sun :) ). :) - name
it after the parent star. :D
12:54 p.m.
New subject: True phone conversation .. trivial digression
Quoting Rohan McLeod (rhn(a)jeack.com.au):
Rick Moen wrote:
I hope you take no offence by my saying I am a bit puzzled by the
concept of " " -- unless it's some sort of non-technical metaphor, in
which case I'm honestly not sure what it refers to.
Quoting Trent W. Buck (trentbuck(a)gmail.com):
> ............ much snipped:
> My point is that the major gTLDs are an international default
> assumption, much more than they are 'implicitly US-centric'.
Yes; well " " does seem logically ( in the sense of 'not specific to
any nation') ; to be a good fit for 'international'; one wonders then, how the system would be extended to
extra-terrestrial
locations ?
Um -- other TLDs, I guess.
By the time we have a multiplanetary civilisation, I suspect the current
Internet will be at best legacy infrastructure, if not gone. Near earth
orbit is not so far a network issue. (I once heard a good talk by one
of the founders of the Internet about what he called 'interplanentary
internets', but that talked about IP packet handling problems, not
domain namespace.)
2:48 p.m.
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Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Rohan McLeod (rhn(a)jeack.com.au):
Not at all; my linguistic standpoint is very definitely that the
responsibility (and thus blame);
is mine alone; that is if some word or term of mine fails to convey it's
intended meaning ether by conveying :
1/a different meaning,
2/ no meaning or
3/ a multitude of meanings; the fault is mine alone !.
By 'standpoint ' I intend: " a situation in which two or more
points-of-view or approaches are possible;
but only one is chosen." .
So a 'standpoint' could be found to be untenable, but not false; in
contrast with a 'theory' say which can be 'falsified'.
An example of a different ' linguistic standpoint' would be one where
responsibility was shared with the reader;
as with contextual or metaphorical usage of words.
Should you be interested in my eccentric linguistic standpoints and
theories; there is a longer exposition at:.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0aOfcVEMVoKbk1BWG9xejl5UHc/edit?usp=sharing
The concept of " " is intended non-technically, but not
metaphorically as a symbol for,
'no national domain specified' ; if you have a better suggestion be my
guest !
Rick Moen wrote:
I hope you take
no offence by my saying I am a bit puzzled by the
concept of " " -- unless it's some sort of non-technical metaphor > ..........snip
Yes; well "
" does seem logically ( in the sense of 'not specific to
any nation') ; to be a good fit for 'international'; ..... snip
By the time we have a multiplanetary civilisation, I suspect the current
Internet will be at best legacy infrastructure,
That sounds interesting; I take it you are not just talking about the
hardware or
future iterations of IP packet versions (IPv4 , IPv6 ,....etc) ?
if not gone. Near earth
orbit is not so far a network issue. (I once heard a good talk by one
of the founders of the Internet about what he called 'interplanentary
internets', but that talked about IP packet handling problems, not
domain namespace.)
So domain namespace (nomenclature ?) was not considered an important
problem ?
regards Rohan McLeod
4:10 p.m.
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Quoting Rohan McLeod (rhn(a)jeack.com.au):
So domain namespace (nomenclature ?) was not
considered an important
problem ?
Well, not by Vinton Cerf in his talks on the subject, anyway. BTW,
here's coverage:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/05/vint-cerf-interplanetary-internet/
I first heard him talk on this subject in 1998 at the World Science
Fiction Convention in Baltimore, as an unscheduled talk that Cerf
suddenly offered. Seeing the hastily scrawled sign in the convention
centre, I wandered in and was amused to see other members of the usual
suspects of Linux/BSD persuasion also finding it.
Cerf had some laptop setup problems with the projection equipment,
allowing me to stand near the front and and indulge a golden one-liner:
'Excuse me: Is there anyone technical in the house?'
26 Aug
26 Aug
4:49 p.m.
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On 26/08/2013 10:54 AM, Rohan McLeod wrote:
Being curious about the difference between
".us" and " " ; I discovered
"Why choose .US?
* To register a .US domain, you must have a presence in the United
States. Visitors to your site will know their information is secure
* You'll be internationally respected as a site with American values
* With many .US domain names still available, you'll be sure to get
the website name you want "
on: http://www.domain.com/domains/tlds/us.bml
Which opens up the possibility of a conversation:
" I notice your organisation doesn't have a ".us" domain name;
which of the above criteria does it not fulfill ? " :- )
More significantly, each of those /values/ can be reasons NOT to want to
be associated with the US ;)
- "visitors to your site will know their information is subject
to NSA spying"
- "American values" .... not necessarily something to strive for.
[ideologically, many in the world detest American values]
- and / or religiously.
We need a safe and open Internet protected from the over reach of the US
Government and their spying agencies.
Cheers
A.
27 Aug
27 Aug
7:24 a.m.
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Quoting Rohan McLeod (rhn(a)jeack.com.au):
Being curious about the difference between
".us" and " " ; I discovered
"Why choose .US?
[Snip sales fluff. ;-> ]
The DNS namespace grew rather than being planned, is the real
explanation. For historical reasons, we've ended up with two-letter
country-code TLDs (ccTLDs) like au. and us. alongside
three-and-more-letter generic TLDs (gTLDs) such as com., org., net.,
gov., mil., aero., coop., info., mobi., and so on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTLD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain
And most recentlly, we have internationalised ccTLDs (IDN ccTLDs)...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_country_code_top-level_domain
...but I digress.
The wide and lasting popularity of the major gTLDs from early on has
made a reorg awkward and thus unlikely. For example, US Federal
government domains _should_ have been grouped under gov.us. but instead
emerged under gov. Likewise, US nonprofits _should_ have been in
org.us. but instead sprouted up in org, and commercial firms should have
been in com.us. but used com. instead.
And now, of course. com. and other primary gTLD namespaces are
popular... because they're popular.
The us. ccTLD is primarily used by USA non-Federal government entities
(mostly cities and counties). Even there, it's often spurned as
undesirable namespace. E.g., my local town (Menlo Park, California)
owns menlo-park.ca.us. but is mostly known by menlopark.org.
(Please note that I've consistently used, above, the full-qualified form
of domain names, i.e., ending in the period that denotes the namespace
root. The closing dot is often omitted but is technically necessary to
avoid ambiguity, and sometimes is required for correct operation of
software.)
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