On Sun, 15 May 2016 04:14:25 AM Ben McGinnes via luv-main wrote:

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:54:41AM +1000, Russell Coker via luv-main wrote:

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Libertarianism is all about liberty for the super-rich and serfdom for people like us.

You're thinking of the American brand of the Libertarian Right, not all forms of libertarianism.

I'm talking about Murray Rothbard's brand of Libertarianism. He boasted about his success in stealing the word from the left and he was correct in that.

For instance my lot, Pirate Party Australia, our policies and principles are pretty much consistent with the Libertarian Left and I think you'll find plenty in there that you agree with (given one of your other examples I suggest you start with the tax policy, negative tax and the basic income policy).

There is no such thing as Libertarian Left. Rothbard was totally successful in stealing the word. Words have to have meanings if we are to communicate. Rothbard has defined the meaning of "Libertarian".

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Libertarianism is about helping the powerful subjugate the weak.

Not even the Libertarian Right go that far if they're genuine and stick to their principles.

They don't claim to do that, but every time they find a way of supporting the powerful.

People seriously trying that and claiming to be libertarian aren't actually libertarian, they're fascists without an army to back it up.

That's exactly what Libertarianism is all about. But instead of a state army they want to have a corporate army. Not that it matters as there is never going to be a functional Libertarian state. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/