-------------------------------------------- On Sun, 16/8/15, spyder.king@yahoo.com.au <spyder.king@yahoo.com.au> wrote: Subject: The 30th anniversary of a long wait for some ... To: luv-talk@luv.asn.au Received: Sunday, 16 August, 2015, 4:47 AM SNIP I've read a lot of places that even in the USA, Amigas weren't available until September 1985, the same month as the MsDOS application (not OS!) Microsoft Windows (undeserved ™). ("Microsoft Blind" or "Microsoft Curtain" would have described it more truthfully since it was in some ways covering over the O.S. )  SNIP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Actually, MAUG   http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MAUG/ will have the 30th anniversary meeting, (and AGM I think),  tonight and some kind of sale ( mostly Amiga stuff) next month, unless they don't. In other words, check the website b4 going, you don't need to be a member of the Yahoo group to read their discussions, but you will need a recent common graphical web-browser.) Not long after the first Amiga and first Microsoft Windows releases in September, 1985, the Free Software Foundation was born. https://fsf.org/fsf30/celebration I think there is no clear ranking between the significance of these three occurrences since we can only speculate what would have happened if one, two or all of them hadn't happened.  For example, I can well imagine that a GNU-like licence would likely not have been widely adopted for some time if ever, so if Linus had still written his kernel he would have used a compiler with a different licence, perhaps a totally unfree one. Perhaps he would have used an MIT licence for his software, or maybe something quite else. Maybe GEM or Geoworks would have come to be on most IBM compatibles' presumably at a slower pace without Microsoft's involvement. Maybe X86 P,ieces of C.rudity would not have so dominated for so long. As for the Amiga, while anything above a "watch" or *duino works more like an Amiga than an IBM PC or Macintosh from 1985, it's innovations' (for that price point), like eg. those of Charles Babbage, Konrad Zuse, Ivan Sutherland, Doug Engelbart, Charles F. Moore etc were often less influential than they were pioneering.               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dav-id " .... We hand over the most cordial congratulations by the Soviet government on the occasion of splendid success of German Wehrmacht. Guderian's tanks broke through to the sea near Abbeville, powered by Soviet fuel, the German bombs, that razed Rotterdam to the ground, were filled with Soviet pyroxylin, and bullet cases, which hit the British soldiers retreating from Dunkirk, were cast of Soviet cupronickel alloy..." Vyacheslav Molotov, then Foreign Policy Minister of the supposedly opposite USSR.                                        Posted by: spyder.king@yahoo.com.au                                                     Reply via web post                        •                               Reply to sender                       •                              Reply to group                       •              Start a New Topic            •                              Messages in this topic                  (1)                                          Visit Your Group                   • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use                                  .       __,_._,___     #yiv2475127030 #yiv2475127030 --    #yiv2475127030ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #yiv2475127030 #yiv2475127030ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #yiv2475127030 #yiv2475127030ygrp-mkp #yiv2475127030hd { 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