Hi all, amazing what ideology can do with facts: http://www.theage.com.au/national/nbn-a-version-of-cuba-turnbull-20111010-1l... "The worst ranked country considering all policy indicators was Singapore, which is spending $US733 ($A750) in public money per household, followed by South Korea and Japan." That are by accident countries that achieved fast Internet access. Do we do something right here? ;-) Regards Peter
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, "Peter Ross" <Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de> wrote:
amazing what ideology can do with facts:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/nbn-a-version-of-cuba-turnbull-20111010-1 lhll.html
"The worst ranked country considering all policy indicators was Singapore, which is spending $US733 ($A750) in public money per household, followed by South Korea and Japan."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territor... Those countries rank as #3, #23, and #38 in terms of population density while Australia is #235 out of 241 territories. Australia seems to have the least population density of any developed country and there aren't many developed countries (as opposed to territories such as Puerto Rico and developing countries like Bangladesh) which have a greater population density than Japan. I don't think that comparing Australia with those three countries makes sense. Unless of course you would to consider the option of doing something like Singapore for the Melbourne and Sydney CBD and something a bit different for the rest of the country. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Hi Russell, Quoting "Russell Coker" <russell@coker.com.au>:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, "Peter Ross" <Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de> wrote:
amazing what ideology can do with facts:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/nbn-a-version-of-cuba-turnbull-20111010-1 lhll.html
"The worst ranked country considering all policy indicators was Singapore, which is spending $US733 ($A750) in public money per household, followed by South Korea and Japan."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territor...
Those countries rank as #3, #23, and #38 in terms of population density while Australia is #235 out of 241 territories.
Australia seems to have the least population density of any developed country and there aren't many developed countries (as opposed to territories such as Puerto Rico and developing countries like Bangladesh) which have a greater population density than Japan.
I don't think that comparing Australia with those three countries makes sense. Unless of course you would to consider the option of doing something like Singapore for the Melbourne and Sydney CBD and something a bit different for the rest of the country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Australia "Australia is one of the world's most urbanised countries" http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.URB.MCTY.TL.ZS?order=wbapi_data_value... Population in urban agglomerations of more than 1 million: #2 Singapore #5 Australia #7 Japan #9 Korea Without long research I know that a lot more than half of the Australians live in the state capitals and their surroundings. Regards Peter
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, "Peter Ross" <Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de> wrote:
Population in urban agglomerations of more than 1 million:
#2 Singapore #5 Australia #7 Japan #9 Korea
Without long research I know that a lot more than half of the Australians live in the state capitals and their surroundings.
In the inner urban areas of Tokyo there are car escalator systems for residential car parking. A system that lifts cars to stack them for greater parking density (basically high-rise parking without the ramps) can't be cheap, it's only practical in extremely densly populated areas with wealthy people. Visit Japan and look around, it's just not like Australia. Also I have never seen any part of Melbourne that has an apparent population density comparable to the Westerpark area of Amsterdam where I used to live (which wasn't unusually densly populated by European standards). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_area In terms of getting high speed net access to people cheaply, the suburban sprawl of Melbourne (which is defined as "metropolitan") is much more difficult and expensive than the large buildings with small apartments that are common in the more densly populated countries. Getting the NBN to me now will involve one fiber to my home. Getting it to me in Amsterdam if done intelligently would have involved one fiber to the apartment building which had four main apartments (one subdivided to give a total of 5) - it was a luxuary apartment building, the other buildings in the area had many more. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Quoting "Russell Coker" <russell@coker.com.au>:
In terms of getting high speed net access to people cheaply, the suburban sprawl of Melbourne (which is defined as "metropolitan") is much more difficult and expensive than the large buildings with small apartments that are common in the more densly populated countries.
I was installing telecommunication cables for few years. It isn't necessarily easier to lay a cable in an apartment building. I remember the joy of drilling holes through 30 cm of concrete, and if you have to do that up to fifth floor you have to do that five times. Digging a cable trench outside a street may feel like a holiday afterwards. You will be amazed how many meters of cable you can have inside an apartment building. I just went to a housewarming party last weekend to Point Cook. They are apartment houses, just laid out horizontally instead of on top of each other;-) Regards Peter
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, "Peter Ross" <Peter.Ross@bogen.in-berlin.de> wrote:
Quoting "Russell Coker" <russell@coker.com.au>:
In terms of getting high speed net access to people cheaply, the suburban sprawl of Melbourne (which is defined as "metropolitan") is much more difficult and expensive than the large buildings with small apartments that are common in the more densly populated countries.
I was installing telecommunication cables for few years. It isn't necessarily easier to lay a cable in an apartment building. I remember the joy of drilling holes through 30 cm of concrete, and if you have to do that up to fifth floor you have to do that five times.
Unless of course you have a building with a phone line in every apartment such that the NBN could replace the existing cable. The smart way to do this would be via Gigabit Ethernet from a fiber termination device near the front of the building.
Digging a cable trench outside a street may feel like a holiday afterwards.
You will be amazed how many meters of cable you can have inside an apartment building.
Which doesn't have to be fiber. Most FTTH installations have the fiber terminated at the nearest possible point to the street and copper inside the home.
I just went to a housewarming party last weekend to Point Cook. They are apartment houses, just laid out horizontally instead of on top of each other;-)
Which means long fiber runs along the street. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
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