A side effect of migration politics (Nothing ever works as planned; -)
Hi all, When I arrived here, I had to wait for 2 years to get any social benefits. After 1.5 years, when the "IT bubble" popped, I had to look for another job, and it took, with Christmas and summer coming up, nearly half a year (I got three offers in one week early March then.) Having no social benefits did not make it the best of times. The last budget was increasing it from 3 to 4 now. Well, just migrants, who cares? Today I read an article about the sluggish growth of Darwin's population. Many arrive, but many leave as well. One of the cited problems: "No matter how qualified an individual may be, they still do need a leg-up in the first few months of coming to an entirely new place," he said. "They're not eligible for any form of government support or welfare in order to establish themselves, and that seriously needs to be looked at." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-04/darwins-multiculturalism-could-counter... I understand that. I had my first interview in Adelaide, and I liked to live there then, but nothing came up quickly so I moved to Melbourne instead. If you wonder why everybody comes to Sydney or Melbourne, the lack of initial support may be one reason. Regards Peter
----- Original message ----- From: "Peter Ross via luv-talk" <luv-talk@luv.asn.au> To: "luv-talk" <luv-talk@luv.asn.au> Subject: [luv-talk] A side effect of migration politics (Nothing ever works as planned; -) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 17:01:49 +1000 Hi all, When I arrived here, I had to wait for 2 years to get any social benefits. After 1.5 years, when the "IT bubble" popped, I had to look for another job, and it took, with Christmas and summer coming up, nearly half a year (I got three offers in one week early March then.) Having no social benefits did not make it the best of times. The last budget was increasing it from 3 to 4 now. Well, just migrants, who cares? Today I read an article about the sluggish growth of Darwin's population. Many arrive, but many leave as well. One of the cited problems: "No matter how qualified an individual may be, they still do need a leg-up in the first few months of coming to an entirely new place," he said. "They're not eligible for any form of government support or welfare in order to establish themselves, and that seriously needs to be looked at." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-04/darwins-multiculturalism-could-counter... I understand that. I had my first interview in Adelaide, and I liked to live there then, but nothing came up quickly so I moved to Melbourne instead. If you wonder why everybody comes to Sydney or Melbourne, the lack of initial support may be one reason. Regards Peter _______________________________________________ luv-talk mailing list luv-talk@luv.asn.au https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-talk Darwin has a population of 142,000 greater Adelaide's population is 1.3 million, Melbourne's is 4.8 million. Melbourne historical has a large manufacturing base, even now something like a 2000ton train load of steel arrives in Melbourne every day, so there will always be more positions availible.
On Thursday, 17 May 2018 8:39:43 AM AEST Lindsay W via luv-talk wrote:
Darwin has a population of 142,000 greater Adelaide's population is 1.3 million, Melbourne's is 4.8 million. Melbourne historical has a large manufacturing base, even now something like a 2000ton train load of steel arrives in Melbourne every day, so there will always be more positions availible.
Steel work employs a small fraction of the number of people it used to. The processes of mining and refining all metals have increased in scale while requiring less workers. The uses for metal have also tended to scale up with robotic manufacturing. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
On Thursday, 17 May 2018 8:39:43 AM AEST Lindsay W via luv-talk wrote:
Darwin has a population of 142,000 greater Adelaide's population is 1.3 million, Melbourne's is 4.8 million. Melbourne historical has a large manufacturing base, even now something like a 2000ton train load of steel arrives in Melbourne every day, so there will always be more positions availible.
Steel work employs a small fraction of the number of people it used to. The processes of mining and refining all metals have increased in scale while requiring less workers. The uses for metal have also tended to scale up with robotic manufacturing.
Not sure about historically, but here are current figures (from 2016 and 2017): * Australia produces 830M tonnes of iron ore (hematite &c) per year. * Australia produces 5M tonnes of steel per year. * China produces 1700M tonnes of steel per year. * IOW we export the raw material, we don't bother to refine it into pig iron, then bar iron, then steel. * Korea requires about 1000 people per 1M tonne per year, so Australia's *steel* industry should require around 5000 people. * Note that's to make iron into steel; Lindsay was talking about making steel into things (I-beams, fences, &c). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_steel_industry_trends#Reduction_in_work... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_production_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Australia#cite_ref-8
----- Original message ----- From: "Trent W. Buck via luv-talk" <luv-talk@luv.asn.au> To: luv-talk@luv.asn.au Subject: Re: [luv-talk] A side effect of migration politics (Nothing ever works as planned; -) Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 10:47:22 +1000 Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
On Thursday, 17 May 2018 8:39:43 AM AEST Lindsay W via luv-talk wrote:
Darwin has a population of 142,000 greater Adelaide's population is 1.3 million, Melbourne's is 4.8 million. Melbourne historical has a large manufacturing base, even now something like a 2000ton train load of steel arrives in Melbourne every day, so there will always be more positions availible.
Steel work employs a small fraction of the number of people it used to. The processes of mining and refining all metals have increased in scale while requiring less workers. The uses for metal have also tended to scale up with robotic manufacturing.
Not sure about historically, but here are current figures (from 2016 and 2017): * Australia produces 830M tonnes of iron ore (hematite &c) per year. * Australia produces 5M tonnes of steel per year. * China produces 1700M tonnes of steel per year. * IOW we export the raw material, we don't bother to refine it into pig iron, then bar iron, then steel. * Korea requires about 1000 people per 1M tonne per year, so Australia's *steel* industry should require around 5000 people. * Note that's to make iron into steel; Lindsay was talking about making steel into things (I-beams, fences, &c). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_steel_industry_trends#Reduction_in_work... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_production_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Australia#cite_ref-8 My main reason for mentioning the steel train and what it carries that inspite of what some of the politicians are telling us there is still plenty of manufacturing in Melbourne turning raw steel into finished products and this does include both steel forgings and steel castings. Lindsay
Lindsay W via luv-talk wrote:
My main reason for mentioning the steel train and what it carries that inspite of what some of the politicians are telling us there is still plenty of manufacturing in Melbourne turning raw steel into finished products and this does include both steel forgings and steel castings.
Maybe, but it's not a major part of Australia's economy. The light blue bit here is the entire "making things" sector: http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/aus/ http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/rus/ http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/ukr/ Compare with China, where the light blue bit is the biggest bit: https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/chn/ https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/gbr/ PS: those pages are very slow (for me); this narrower view is faster (click on "HS2" at centre-bottom for a simpler summary): https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/export/aus/all/show/2... https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/visualize/stacked/hs92/export/aus/all/show/19...
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