21 Aug
2014
21 Aug
'14
10:18 a.m.
Assembled cognoscenti;
just wondering about an explanation (if any);
for anomalous results when burning an audio-CD.
The problem was to burn a compilation audio-CD;
so it could be played on the audio-CD player on my
mini-hifi system
There are two "boxes" identical OS and application;
application on box I aborts burn twice; seemingly complaining about
discontinuous audio stream; application on box II completes without problem.
Box I: 2.8Ghz dual core CPU 2GB RAM ; IDE CD/DVD burner SATA HD
Box II : old Intel server-board 2.4GHz dual core x 2 Xeon CPU's and
2GB of RAM;
CD/DVD burner is IDE with adaptor card so that HD and CD burner;
are both on the SCSI bus connected to Adaptec 39320 LVD
SCSI controller;
in PCI-X slot.
thanks Rohan McLeod
21 Aug
21 Aug
1:40 p.m.
Rohan McLeod wrote:
The problem was to burn a compilation audio-CD;
so it could be played on the audio-CD player on my
mini-hifi system
There are two "boxes" identical OS and application;
application on box I aborts burn twice; seemingly complaining about
discontinuous audio stream; application on box II completes without problem.
Box I: 2.8Ghz dual core CPU 2GB RAM ; IDE CD/DVD burner SATA HD
Box II : old Intel server-board 2.4GHz dual core x 2 Xeon CPU's and
2GB of RAM;
CD/DVD burner is IDE with adaptor card so that HD and CD burner;
are both on the SCSI bus connected to Adaptec 39320 LVD
SCSI controller;
in PCI-X slot.
My knee-jerk reaction is:
WTF why are you using all those long-dead buses?
A brand-new SATA burner is $20.
It's faster and cheaper to try that before debugging an old PATA or SCSI burner.
Except if your motherboard has PCI-X and SCSI it probably predates
ubiquitous SATA, so you'd have to replace the motherboard and probably
CPU as well, and now I just want to go cry in a corner.
You also didn't mention HOW you're burning.
On a modern distro it ought to be something like
sudo -g cdrom wodim my-album/*.wav
Or "cdrecord" instead of "wodim".
Don't bother passing any options until you've seen it actually fail without them.
3:15 p.m.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:40:31 Trent W. Buck wrote:
My knee-jerk reaction is:
WTF why are you using all those long-dead buses?
A brand-new SATA burner is $20.
It's faster and cheaper to try that before debugging an old PATA or SCSI
burner.
Except if your motherboard has PCI-X and SCSI it probably predates
ubiquitous SATA, so you'd have to replace the motherboard and probably
CPU as well, and now I just want to go cry in a corner.
I have a stack of DVD drives that I don't immediately need. If anyone needs
drives I could bring 2 of the type you prefer (IDE or SATA) to the next LUV
meeting, then you can return the one that's least suitable for your purposes.
NB if anyone takes me up on this please make a note of what (if anything) was
wrong with the drive you returned. Most systems I run don't need to write to
CDs and DVDs so any drive that's read-only can be used for that purpose.
Also if anyone with such problems wants to bring their PC to the Beginners'
SIG I could supply the parts and people there could fix it for you.
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My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
5:14 p.m.
Russell Coker wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:40:31 Trent W. Buck wrote:
Russell that is very generous of you;
I might try Trent's suggestion of coupling a R/W SATA burner to a SATA HD.
These drives are definitely working or just possibly working ?
Main problem would be the logistics as I have a permanent clash with the
monthly LUV meeting;
and the Beginners SIG is week-ends I seem to recall ?; when I'm often
working !
Perhaps I should just try ComputerBank as they are just around the corner ?
regards Rohan Mcleod
My knee-jerk reaction is:
WTF why are you using all those long-dead buses?
A brand-new SATA burner is $20.
It's faster and cheaper to try that before debugging an old PATA or SCSI
burner.
Except if your motherboard has PCI-X and SCSI it probably predates
ubiquitous SATA, so you'd have to replace the motherboard and probably
CPU as well, and now I just want to go cry in a corner.
I have a stack of DVD
drives that I don't immediately need. If anyone needs
drives I could bring 2 of the type you prefer (IDE or SATA) to the next LUV
meeting, then you can return the one that's least suitable for your purposes.
10:11 p.m.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 17:14:49 Rohan McLeod wrote:
Russell that is very generous of you;
I might try Trent's suggestion of coupling a R/W SATA burner to a SATA HD.
There is no connection between the burner and the HDD. In the unlikely event
that you have a motherboard which supports it then you can run an IDE disk and
a SATA DVD-RW drive without necessarily having any problems. The common case
of a SATA disk and IDE DVD-RW drive (the default configuration for desktop PCs
shipped ~3-5 years ago) also won't necessarily have any problems.
CD/DVD writers are difficult, some just don't work for no particular reason.
For my own use I don't bother too much about it, I always have 3+ PCs capable
of doing such things and if one doesn't successfully burn CDs then I just
transfer the ISO image to another.
These drives are definitely working or just possibly
working ?
The drives all came from PCs that were known to work well. As I don't always
test DVD drives before adding them to my pile it is possible that a PC had a
damaged DVD drive and no-one noticed because CDs and DVDs aren't used much
nowadays, but that isn't likely. It's also possible that a working DVD drive
became non-functional after being on the shelf for a while (tested and known
working drives have failed that way for me before).
But if I give you 2 drives then you are pretty much guaranteed that one will
work. If you want IDE then I can give you 3 to be even more confident of
success.
Main problem would be the logistics as I have a
permanent clash with the
monthly LUV meeting;
and the Beginners SIG is week-ends I seem to recall ?; when I'm often
working !
Perhaps I should just try ComputerBank as they are just around the corner ?
It's up to you.
Of course you could get a friend to attend a LUV meeting to collect drives for
you.
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My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
11:02 p.m.
Russell Coker wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 17:14:49 Rohan McLeod wrote:
thanks Russell I shall accept that as authoritative ie mixing SATA and
IDE has no intrinsic problems ?
Russell that is very generous of you;
I might try Trent's suggestion of coupling a R/W SATA burner to a SATA HD.
There is no connection between the burner and the HDD. In the unlikely event
that you have a motherboard which supports it then you can run an IDE disk and
a SATA DVD-RW drive without necessarily having any problems. The common case
of a SATA disk and IDE DVD-RW drive (the default configuration for desktop PCs
shipped ~3-5 years ago) also won't necessarily have any problems.
CD/DVD writers are difficult, some just don't work for no particular reason.
Now that could be relevant to my problem ie Box I CD/DVD had a problem;
Box II CD/DVD had no problem ?
For my own use I don't bother too much about it, I always have 3+ PCs capable
of doing such things and if one doesn't successfully burn CDs then I just
transfer the ISO image to another.
Which raises the issue is burning an ISO image an identical problem to
burning a selection of mp3 sound files;
to what will become an audio CD ?
Again thanks for the offer and thoughts on the issue; the ComputerBank
accessories shop is just round the corner;
so I'll probably go with that regards Rohan Mcleod
22 Aug
22 Aug
midnight
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014 23:02:32 Rohan McLeod wrote:
If you have an IDE HDD and an IDE DVD-RW on the same cable then there is
potential for interference as there always is when one cable has multiple
devices. Other than that, kernel bugs (which while possible aren't likely in
this regard), and motherboard hardware bugs there shouldn't be any issue.
Yes.
If a drive won't allow burning an ISO then I would bet money that it won't
burn an audio CD. It is possible that some drives will work with ISO files
but not audio because ISO files are the most common use case.
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My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
There is no
connection between the burner and the HDD. In the unlikely
event that you have a motherboard which supports it then you can run an
IDE disk and a SATA DVD-RW drive without necessarily having any problems.
thanks Russell I shall accept that as authoritative ie mixing SATA and
IDE has no intrinsic problems ? The common
case
of a SATA disk and IDE DVD-RW drive (the default configuration for desktop
PCs shipped ~3-5 years ago) also won't necessarily have any problems.
CD/DVD writers are difficult, some just don't work for no particular
reason.
Now that could be relevant to my problem ie Box I CD/DVD had a problem;
Box II CD/DVD had no problem ? For my own use
I don't bother too much about it, I always have 3+ PCs
capable of doing such things and if one doesn't successfully burn CDs
then I just transfer the ISO image to another.
Which raises the issue is burning an ISO image an identical problem to
burning a selection of mp3 sound files;
to what will become an audio CD ?
10:12 a.m.
Rohan McLeod wrote:
Which raises the issue is burning an ISO image an
identical problem to
burning a selection of mp3 sound files;
to what will become an audio CD ?
You can't (at least, you couldn't) just do
cdrecord *.mp3
to generate a CDDA disc. (CDDA is what works in your hifi; ISO and HFS
are what work in a computer). But you *could* do it with PCM files,
which usually have a .wav extension.
Last time I actually cared about such things, there were new things
called "mp3 discs" or something, that your new car stereo could play.
AIUI they are basically an ISO9660 that contains MP3s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-DA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO9660
3:31 p.m.
Trent W. Buck wrote:
Rohan McLeod wrote:
I didn't want to distract discussion, but the OS is actually XP and the
application BurnAware Free;
which seems to do precisely what 'was' not possible with cdrecord;
(BurnAware Free presumably converts on the fly).
The issue I was speculating above, was the conversion buffer
overflows due to some
hiatus with writing; where as writing an ISO file might not have the
same problem ?
Which raises the issue is burning an ISO image an
identical problem to
burning a selection of mp3 sound files;
to what will become an audio CD ?
You can't (at least, you couldn't) just
do
cdrecord *.mp3
to generate a CDDA disc. (CDDA is what works in your hifi; ISO and HFS
are what work in a computer). But you *could* do it with PCM files,
which usually have a .wav extension.
Last time I actually cared about such things, there were new things
called "mp3 discs" or something, that your new car stereo could play.
My van is very cold on winter nights !
Trent thanks for your thoughts ;
regards Rohan McLeod
25 Aug
25 Aug
9:28 p.m.
My van is very
cold on winter nights !
Trent thanks for
your thoughts ;
regards Rohan McLeod
I don't think burning CDs will help much. You'd be better off burning kero, LPG,
wood, coal or Mx newspapers which can be obtained free from railway stations etc. Mon-Fri
& are only scarce Fridays.
21 Aug
21 Aug
3:30 p.m.
Trent W. Buck wrote:
Rohan McLeod wrote:
Trent thanks for response
Hmm......when I ask myself questions like that;
I often suspect the answers are merely rationalising the status-quo !
..... a miserly, sentimental old fool ?
The problem was to burn a compilation audio-CD;
so it could be played on the audio-CD player on my
mini-hifi system
There are two "boxes" identical OS and application;
application on box I aborts burn twice; seemingly complaining about
discontinuous audio stream; application on box II completes without problem.
Box I: 2.8Ghz dual core CPU 2GB RAM ; IDE CD/DVD burner SATA HD
Box II : old Intel server-board 2.4GHz dual core x 2 Xeon CPU's and
2GB of RAM;
CD/DVD burner is IDE with adaptor card so that HD and CD burner;
are both on the SCSI bus connected to Adaptec 39320 LVD
SCSI controller;
in PCI-X slot.
My knee-jerk reaction is:
WTF why are you using all those long-dead buses? A brand-new SATA burner is $20.
It's faster and cheaper to try that before debugging an old PATA or SCSI burner.
So SATA burner and drive....... no particular reason apart from time and
money ?
Except if your motherboard has PCI-X and SCSI it probably predates
ubiquitous SATA, so you'd have to replace the motherboard and probably
CPU as well, and now I just want to go cry in a corner.
Whilst we deeply appreciate your empathy and sympathy;
perhaps you should resist the trip to the corner till;
still more sorrows have accrued ? :- |
many thanks Rohan McLeod
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