Re: [luv-talk] Anyone in need of any older computer gear?
On Thu, 27/8/15, Rohan McLeod <rhn@jeack.com.au> wrote: Get thee behind me Satan ! :-) regards Rohan Mcleod _______________________________________________ Rohan, that's a commendably brief summary of the feelings me, and probably many of us. Problem is, I feel rendering these works of craft back to dumb lumps of metals is a greater evil! Fortunately I know some collectors who will take almost anything. Unfortunately, not the ones who were interested in a public museum, which I think ought to have an example of some of these;- I'm thinking the (already claimed anyway) BBC with tube co-processor and the Labtam X-terminal (possibly the first company to sell them, based in Braeside, Melbourne, Oz < imagine a Norman Gunston style jingoistic hawk & spit>!). (Except the bloke planning a museum of anything that plays games might like the BBC(s). Actually, looking at the wicked pedia to confirm my impression that "The Tube" was the buss to connect another CPU, not a peripheral CPU unit as such, I see that Julian Barson's company in Abbottsford, Melb, Oz adapted the Econet filing system from Acorn's System 2 so another hawk & spit! (Sorry about the sound, but I have acute rhinitus, possibly related to my deviated septum.) Most people, as distinct from the weirdos who read LUV lists, might be surprised at how common collecting old IT has become in the last few years. Most of them are interested in what they had, or wished to have, when they were a kid/teenager. Many of them aren't interested in things they never heard of. Then you have those after the obscure, including the completists that mostly already have the common stuff they want. Some of them are the ones who've driven the prices of rarer stuff way up. Yes, you can get serious money for some items, if you are prepared to wait. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dav-id " .... We are just consumers to the huge corporations of the computer and telecommunications industry. They want to sell to us all right, but they won t sell us everything we need; that is, they won't make us powerful, unless we insist." Ward Cunningham http://c2.com/doc/forewords/beck2.html
David E Payne wrote:
On Thu, 27/8/15, Rohan McLeod <rhn@jeack.com.au> wrote:
Get thee behind me Satan ! :-)
regards Rohan Mcleod
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Rohan, that's a commendably brief summary of the feelings me, and probably many of us.
Problem is, I feel rendering these works of craft back to dumb lumps of metals is a greater evil!
Well more seriously collection of "stuff" can be a real danger to the mental health and life-style of people like myself who have a, tendency to collect it. In 2012 I had to divest myself of a collection of 'stuff' much of it IT technology representing uncompleted projects going back some18 years. Because I needed to move from a house with a shed- workshop to a flat, with a micro-workshop in a bathroom /laundry, with very little storage space. Let's just say it was a very mentally exhausting process deciding which projects to abandon, and thus which technology to dump .... but in the end beneficial; as those projects were using up mental energy ! On the subject of historical techological developments, there doesn't seem to be or ever have been any systematic approach to recording such. I was reminded of this watching a TV documentary on , some archeologists trying to recover the processes whereby stone castles were built in the 13th century. Currently I think a great deal of historical technological development and expertise is being lost in Europe, as European manufacturing products; like Australian counterparts are replaced by cheaper Chinese ones. One question I have always thought interesting in technological development is whether there a way of ordering it; as say things which can be found in the natural environment as say level 0 (eg rocks, wood... then things which can be made from level 0 say level 1 etc. Then for example. what level would say a ball-point pen be ? regards Rohan McLeod
Very interesting especially the 'shedding' of stuff - more about this later... There are some good examples of 'new' technologies that are just re-workings of older stuff and if we are to pass on some knowledge to a new generation I sometimes feel that we should keep some of the older stuff to demonstrate the fundamentals. One that comes to mind is RS232 / serial inside Bluetooth - old RS232 device are just great to demo flow-control etc etc. Mike On 29/08/15 09:34, Rohan McLeod wrote:
David E Payne wrote:
On Thu, 27/8/15, Rohan McLeod <rhn@jeack.com.au> wrote:
Get thee behind me Satan ! :-) regards Rohan Mcleod _______________________________________________
Rohan, that's a commendably brief summary of the feelings me, and probably many of us.
Problem is, I feel rendering these works of craft back to dumb lumps of metals is a greater evil!
Well more seriously collection of "stuff" can be a real danger to the mental health and life-style of people like myself who have a, tendency to collect it. In 2012 I had to divest myself of a collection of 'stuff' much of it IT technology representing uncompleted projects going back some18 years. Because I needed to move from a house with a shed- workshop to a flat, with a micro-workshop in a bathroom /laundry, with very little storage space. Let's just say it was a very mentally exhausting process deciding which projects to abandon, and thus which technology to dump .... but in the end beneficial; as those projects were using up mental energy !
On the subject of historical techological developments, there doesn't seem to be or ever have been any systematic approach to recording such. I was reminded of this watching a TV documentary on , some archeologists trying to recover the processes whereby stone castles were built in the 13th century. Currently I think a great deal of historical technological development and expertise is being lost in Europe, as European manufacturing products; like Australian counterparts are replaced by cheaper Chinese ones.
One question I have always thought interesting in technological development is whether there a way of ordering it; as say things which can be found in the natural environment as say level 0 (eg rocks, wood... then things which can be made from level 0 say level 1 etc. Then for example. what level would say a ball-point pen be ?
regards Rohan McLeod _______________________________________________ luv-talk mailing list luv-talk@luv.asn.au http://lists.luv.asn.au/listinfo/luv-talk
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