https://m.facebook.com/story.php? story_fbid=1075040782544963&id=189511854431198 The Secular Party believes that we need to change section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act to protect free speech. They deleted my comment about the Australian Libel law being a bigger problem for free speech. I think that anyone who wants to change the Racial Discrimination Act in the name of free speech but doesn't want changes to the libel laws is just pandering to racists. Deleting my comment is an indication of their lack of commitment to free speech. Anyone who wants to permit racism in the name of "free speech" but can't tolerate someone disagreeing on Facebook is just protecting racists. https://m.facebook.com/story.php? story_fbid=1082926475089727&id=189511854431198 The Secular Party also seem opposed to BLM. They say that they "don't shy away from contentious topics or controversial viewpoints", but apparently my viewpoint was too controversial because they deleted my comments, blocked me, and just left their rebuttals to my comments (which they won't let you read) up. Wanting to stop innocent black people from being shot by cops is asking so little, opposing that is totally racist. There's no middle ground here, you either are in favor of cops killing people with impunity or you aren't. Lev, what's up with the Secular Party? You like them on Facebook. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On Tue, September 13, 2016 1:04 pm, Russell Coker wrote:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php? story_fbid=1075040782544963&id=189511854431198
Lev, what's up with the Secular Party? You like them on Facebook.
I follow them. I can't say that I'm a fan of their work by any stretch of the imagination. There is an alternative, the Victorian Secular Lobby. Unlike the Secular Party we have a policy to modify those sorts of legislation which have provisions for offense, contempt, ridicule etc, but this occur simultaneously with changes to defamation law so that class actions can be undertaken. -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GradCertTerAdEd (Murdoch), GradCertPM, MBA (Tech Mngmnt) (Chifley) mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
On Tuesday, 13 September 2016 2:25:04 PM AEST Lev Lafayette via luv-talk wrote:
On Tue, September 13, 2016 1:04 pm, Russell Coker wrote:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php? story_fbid=1075040782544963&id=189511854431198
Lev, what's up with the Secular Party? You like them on Facebook.
I follow them. I can't say that I'm a fan of their work by any stretch of the imagination.
Does Facebook have an option for "follow" but not "like"? Facebook tells me that you "like" them. Maybe you could just disagree with a couple of their posts and get blocked by them, I guess that can be counted as a badge of honor.
There is an alternative, the Victorian Secular Lobby. Unlike the Secular Party we have a policy to modify those sorts of legislation which have provisions for offense, contempt, ridicule etc, but this occur simultaneously with changes to defamation law so that class actions can be undertaken.
That might be a workable option, you haven't provided enough detail to judge. But given that we have so many laws being regularly and routinely abused in practice it seems at best a waste of time to change legislation that is hardly ever used and doesn't have any cited examples of it being abused. It's a fairly common thing for a discussion on the Linux Australia list to involve someone imply a threat of a libel suit against me or for some well- meaning person to warn me that I'm disagreeing with someone who's likely to threaten libel action. I'm not at all concerned about such things, but I expect that some people are discouraged from using that list due to such threats and warnings. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
I think that anyone who wants to change the Racial Discrimination Act in the name of free speech but doesn't want changes to the libel laws is just pandering to racists.
Also that law that lets the government gaol whistleblowers for like 10 years if they give a journalist *any* private information about the government, no matter how unimportant. Can't find a cite, but the example I remember was leaking the price of biscuits in the canteen. It came into force in like the 1910s, IIRC. Governments apply selective enforcement to cover up embarrassing scandals, rather than its originally intended use (protecting war secrets). Opposition won't ever move to strike down the law, because they know sooner or later they'll be back in power and using it.
every time i see them saying something, i lose respect for them. i'm at the point of regretting that i put them on my senate vote at all a few months back (fairly low down in my prefs, so more as a message/statement that australia should be secular than anything else). they came out with some islamophobic crap a few months ago (it's one thing for a secular party to say that islam shouldn't get any special privileges in society, any more than catholics or protestants or buddhists or any other religion, but it's quite another for them to be coming out with the same all muslims are terrorists burka-banning bullshit that the racists do). now it's this current idiocy equating identity politics with "political correctness gone mad". just another loon party, and not even well-meaning loons. and a waste of a good party name. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>
On Wed, September 14, 2016 10:25 pm, Craig Sanders via luv-talk wrote:
every time i see them saying something, i lose respect for them.
(snip) You should put all this on the relevant thread. If enough people remind them that they are using support as a result of such nonsense they may reconsider.
just another loon party, and not even well-meaning loons. and a waste of a good party name.
There is always the Victorian Secular Lobby :) -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GradCertTerAdEd (Murdoch), GradCertPM, MBA (Tech Mngmnt) (Chifley) mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
On Wednesday, 14 September 2016 10:25:30 PM AEST Craig Sanders via luv-talk wrote:
they came out with some islamophobic crap a few months ago (it's one thing for a secular party to say that islam shouldn't get any special privileges in society, any more than catholics or protestants or buddhists or any other religion, but it's quite another for them to be coming out with the same all muslims are terrorists burka-banning bullshit that the racists do).
I became aware of them after an ex-Friend on Facebook (who continually posts anti-burka stuff and claims that Australia has Sharia law enforced by the government) supported them. I think it was pointing out that my attention was drawn to the Secular Party by a bigot that got me banned from their page and my comments deleted. They also want to repeal section 18C of the racial discrimination act on the basis of "free speech" but are apparently fine with the current libel laws. They deleted my Facebook comment about the Libel laws being more of a free speech issue than 18C.
now it's this current idiocy equating identity politics with "political correctness gone mad".
just another loon party, and not even well-meaning loons. and a waste of a good party name.
Adding a Facebook comment about this would be a good idea. Also make screen caps in case they delete them. When the Secular Party talk about free speech they mean free speech for white men. When they talk about discussion of contentious ideas they mean ideas that affect minority groups, ideas that disagree with them will be deleted. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
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