Re: [luv-talk] Vale Nelson Mandela
Make your predictions: http://predictionbook.com/predictions/22373 "South Africa will be a smoking ruin similar to Zimbabwe by 2033. Specifically, the price of gold in Rand will have risen at least 20-fold (current price 12,857.80 rand / oz) , and unemployment will be at least 40% currently 23%." It is possible that a) Nelson Mandela was in many ways an admirable person (IMHO true), and b) Majority rule will result in a bad outcome for almost all South Africans, worse than continued white majority rule (IMHO quite likely), and c) It was in some sense the right outcome (in line with the argument that one person one vote democracy is the least worst system, in spite of its many ill effects across the world).
1. Re: Vale Nelson Mandela (Lev Lafayette) On Fri, December 6, 2013 11:24 pm, Russell Coker wrote:
While somewhat controversial in the past it's now generally accepted
that
opposing the racist policies of white South Africa was the right thing to do.
On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 09:31:34 Tim Josling wrote:
It is possible that a) Nelson Mandela was in many ways an admirable person (IMHO true), and b) Majority rule will result in a bad outcome for almost all South Africans, worse than continued white majority rule (IMHO quite likely), and c) It was in some sense the right outcome (in line with the argument that one person one vote democracy is the least worst system, in spite of its many ill effects across the world).
During Apartheid black people were effectively slaves. They were denied freedom to go where they wished, denied education, and could be killed by white people without much restriction. It doesn't seem possible for things to be much worse than that, nothing less than full legal slavery could do it. Whether South Africa is successful in the future depends to some extent on the US. If the Republican party gains power then they will try to mess things up because they hate black people. If the Democratic party stays in it's current shape then they will continue colonial policies that destroy the economies of all "developing" countries. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On Sun, December 8, 2013 12:04 pm, Russell Coker wrote:
Whether South Africa is successful in the future depends to some extent on the US. If the Republican party gains power then they will try to mess things up because they hate black people.
I think that's pushing the envelope. The Republicans may engage in policies that are harmful towards "black" people, and no doubt there's plenty of racists within the party who do hat such people as well. But overall their foreign policy is not predicated on such overt racism. It's more orientated towards the desires of the business elites that control said organisation. -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GCertPM, MBA mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
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