East West Link - contacting the government
Hi all, Labor opposing East West Link - good news, at least for me. There is no contract signed yet - so all uncertainty claims are quite strange. It is up to the government in power to create certainty - by waiting with the contracts until after the election. The process is before the courts because the link did not go through a proper planning, assessment and consultation process yet. The lack of process created the uncertainty. So the government can correct it by honouring process. This would make it a decision made by a government which asked for a mandate from the electorate. Below my letter to Terry Mulder (terence.mulder@parliament.vic.gov.au). Maybe you would like to contact him too? Thanks Peter Dear Terry, the Labor decision to dump the East West Link is a good one for us in Melbourne. Please cancel the project if you care for Victoria. It may save hundred of millions or billions of dollars of claims when the project finally ends in the bin, as it should. The East West Link is not a properly planned project. I contacted you before about my concerns. Some of the events and claims are truly bizarre if you are familiar with the area as I am. I work in Kensington. I frequently use the bike track along the Mooney Ponds Creek you want to overshadow with another bunch of lanes. I also spend a lot of time waiting for and in trains from and to Craigieburn and Upfield which never go on time. It is not a surprise that the whole case is before the courts. The rush to lock it in resulted in a shoddy process which defies logic and did never satisfy requirements of proper consulting with the public. Even now, the design is still work in progress, and some of the "corrections" over time looked as professional as me designing a model train with my son. How can this being assessed? How can the community have a sufficient input in this process? How can you sign contracts with this uncertainty? It will be a liability for any future government and all Victorians. A tender process where you continue with one bidder only is another detail not making sense. I never do that if I want a good deal. You were elected with the Liberals claiming support for the Metro Rail Link. You did not advance the project. Instead it became another train wreck of "planning on the run". Please bring that back into action instead of tinkering with the East West Link if you want to do something for Victoria. Thank you Peter [contact details]
Hi, Just had a chance to read this from a couple of weeks ago. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Peter Ross <Petros.Listig@fdrive.com.au> wrote:
Hi all,
Labor opposing East West Link - good news, at least for me.
Hey cool dude....happy for you....so your guys are gonna direct preferences to the CFMEU party now? You must live within 10 k of the CBD or dont work in the CBD...cool, happy you can afford the rent and or the real estate..a vast majority of us have to live in the burbs cos we can't.
strange. It is up to the government in power to create certainty - by waiting with the contracts until after the election.
The process is before the courts because the link did not go through a proper planning, assessment and consultation process yet. The lack of process created the uncertainty.
? Are you 11 yrs old perhaps? You probably were not around when Bracks declared emphatically...MANY times before an election that he would kill tolls on the East West Link...AND that he had a legal mandate to do so. The statement contributed to his successful election..but in the end it was farcical to say such and all it took was a couple of well paid spin doctors to get him out of it ! ...and here's the trick...that same BS happens on every side of polltix... they all treat us "party polltix is crap people" like sheep!
So the government can correct it by honouring process. This would make it a decision made by a government which asked for a mandate from the electorate.
Below my letter to Terry Mulder (terence.mulder@parliament.vic.gov.au). Maybe you would like to contact him too?
Hey sure, and perhaps you could grow a pair and stand on the corner of Hoddle St and the Eastern Freeway offramp one week day from 6am to 10am wearing a breadboard declaring your support for such brown nosing, click bait tripe.... or perhaps climb a pole on the Westgate Bridge and do the same when traffic is banked up halfway to Geelong cos a car or truck is broken down in the tunnel. The pathetic use of this computing based user group to promote polltix from all sides shits me greatly! Suggest you go back to getting friends to write fake letters to the editor in your local newspaper to influence opinion. Your masters know this had great affect a decade ago. If Daniel Andrews is elected and does stop this project within 12 mths I will walk Bourke St from end to end naked! ... and you are very welcome to hold me to that. :-) Do you actually do computing or is this just another mailing list your polltix masters dictate you should post to after they feed you the bullet points on the astroturfed argument de jour? BW Thanks
Peter
Dear Terry,
the Labor decision to dump the East West Link is a good one for us in Melbourne.
Please cancel the project if you care for Victoria. It may save hundred of millions or billions of dollars of claims when the project finally ends in the bin, as it should.
The East West Link is not a properly planned project. I contacted you before about my concerns. Some of the events and claims are truly bizarre if you are familiar with the area as I am.
I work in Kensington. I frequently use the bike track along the Mooney Ponds Creek you want to overshadow with another bunch of lanes. I also spend a lot of time waiting for and in trains from and to Craigieburn and Upfield which never go on time.
It is not a surprise that the whole case is before the courts. The rush to lock it in resulted in a shoddy process which defies logic and did never satisfy requirements of proper consulting with the public. Even now, the design is still work in progress, and some of the "corrections" over time looked as professional as me designing a model train with my son. How can this being assessed? How can the community have a sufficient input in this process?
How can you sign contracts with this uncertainty? It will be a liability for any future government and all Victorians.
A tender process where you continue with one bidder only is another detail not making sense. I never do that if I want a good deal.
You were elected with the Liberals claiming support for the Metro Rail Link. You did not advance the project. Instead it became another train wreck of "planning on the run".
Please bring that back into action instead of tinkering with the East West Link if you want to do something for Victoria.
Thank you Peter
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On Sat, October 4, 2014 4:00 pm, Brent Wallis wrote:
? Are you 11 yrs old perhaps? You probably were not around when Bracks declared emphatically...MANY times before an election that he would kill tolls on the East West Link...AND that he had a legal mandate to do so.
Not forgotten, trust me. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/04/15/1050172598640.html http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2003/s833090.htm http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/05/1096949513640.html -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GradCertTerAdEd (Murdoch), GradCertPM, MBA (Tech Mngmnt) (Chifley) mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014, Brent Wallis <brent.wallis@gmail.com> wrote:
Just had a chance to read this from a couple of weeks ago.
So you resurrected a dead thread because you like political discussions so much.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Peter Ross <Petros.Listig@fdrive.com.au> Hey cool dude....happy for you....so your guys are gonna direct preferences to the CFMEU party now? You must live within 10 k of the CBD or dont work in the CBD...cool, happy you can afford the rent and or the real estate..a vast majority of us have to live in the burbs cos we can't.
The time taken to get to the city is much the same for car, tram, and train. When I was regularly working in the CBD I took public transport because it usually wasn't any slower than driving and I could read on the way. I think it's reasonable to assume that Peter and everyone else who oppose the EW link support spending more money on public transport to decrease the travel time for everyone.
Do you actually do computing or is this just another mailing list your polltix masters dictate you should post to after they feed you the bullet points on the astroturfed argument de jour?
I think that Peter does a lot more computing than you do. The list archives show him sending more technical messages to luv-main than you do and his ratio of luv-main:luv-talk messages is much higher than yours. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On 5/10/2014 12:34 AM, Russell Coker wrote:
I think it's reasonable to assume that Peter and everyone else who oppose the EW link support spending more money on public transport to decrease the travel time for everyone.
YES, definitely don't want any TOLL roads, no matter whom is in government, In terms of politics, I hate what the Vic LNP is doing here and I hate what the federal LNP is doing ... both, IMHO, are complete disasters! A.
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 12:34:17AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014, Brent Wallis <brent.wallis@gmail.com> wrote:
Just had a chance to read this from a couple of weeks ago.
So you resurrected a dead thread because you like political discussions so much.
no, of course not. he hates politics so much he contemptuously spells it as "politix". now that shows real class, not to mention unbiased resolve and integrity. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>
On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 03:00:13PM +1000, Brent Wallis wrote:
If Daniel Andrews is elected and does stop this project within 12 mths I will walk Bourke St from end to end naked! ... and you are very welcome to hold me to that. :-)
have you fulfilled your obligation here yet? Andrews was elected, and he cancelled the East-West Link project immediately. The cancellation has stood up to all challenges, it's done, and aside from a tiny handful of bussed-in rent-a-crowd* die-hard liberal-voter "protestors", nobody even disputes it any more. even the Liberal Party's whinging about how much it cost to get out of the project fell flat because everyone knows that the only reason it cost so much was the bullshit, IMO corrupt and illegal, agreement for absurd compensation signed between the liberal party and the developers. you owe the list a naked Bourke street walk. no photos please, i'll believe it when i read about it, and your likely arrest for indecent exposure, in the paper. * for very, very small definitions of "crowd"....crowded for a lounge-room tea party, perhaps, but not for the steps of Parliament. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>
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