Hi David, From: "David E Payne" <spyder.king@yahoo.com.au>

To: "Peter Ross" <Petros.Listig@fdrive.com.au> Sent: Thursday, 1 January, 2015 2:19:52 AM

Is this delivery Failure meant to DISCOURAGE spreading such rumours about ZTE?

I am pretty sure that ZTE hijacked the yahoo DNS;-) I leave the notice below to interpret. Was there a luv.asn.au DNS problem recently? To the original subject:

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"...  And I love the feeling that Apple and Google (and associated darker forces) do not know everything about me.

Which should be a non-negotiable requirement for any equipment but .. well, we live in times where the indecent is considered standard.

Yes it's unlikely the Chinese government would share their information about you with Apple and Google. (Well, it seems to be a widely held belief that the government owned ZTE is spying on users of their stuff. Still, probably better to have the info about you split among rivals who won't aggregate it.)

The ability to _receive_ the information is less likely because I do not have a Chinese account which is syncing data and transfering data from my phone (as Google does from every Android phone - or Apple from every iPhone). The software is open source. It could be that the software was modified (I did not flush it yet and put a self-compiled Firefox OS on it), and there could be off-band communication using the proprietary drivers.

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" Recently I saw a jealous husband monitoring his (unfaithful, he suspects) wife via "Find a friend" app on an iPhone. "

I once heard what I believe was a nearby portable, not mobile, phone on a radio or TV (back when they were likely to be analog). The voice was of a wo man saying that if her husband knew he'd kill her and I don't think she was speaking figuratively!

Yes, these people exist, unfortunately. I do not think it matches "my" case. I left it with a remark which started some thinking, hopefully. During my holidays I grabbed "holiday reading" idly from the bookshelf, browsing through books I read decades earlier. One was Kurt Tucholsky's "Gripsholm Castle" written in the early 1930ies. There is a memorable quote about "the good cause": Oh ecstacy of the good and righteous crusades, you laxative of the immoral! With a cold stream of water I extinguished it, while I breathed out. I knew the mechanism of this lust: It's twice as dangerous because it has an ethical foundation; to torment in order to do a good work..., that's a very wide-spread ideal. (Translation by Alfred Wilke) Regards Peter

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From: MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com <MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com> Subject: Failure Notice To: spyder.king@yahoo.com.au Received: Thursday, 1 January, 2015, 1:48 AM Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

<luv-talk@luv.asn.au>: No MX or A records for luv.asn.au

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On Thu, 18/12/14, Peter Ross <Petros.Listig@fdrive.com.au> wrote:

Subject: Re: [luv-talk] Firefox OS phone at JB Hifi To: luv-talk@luv.asn.au Received: Thursday, 18 December, 2014, 11:37 AM =20