From: "Carl Turney" <carl@boms.com.au>

We can recycle all the toilet tissue and containers in the world, live hot in the summer and cold in the winter, ban personal vehicles, go strictly vegetarian, and we'd =still= need x Olympic swimming pools of water and y b-double trucks of food per person per lifetime.

Look at this graph: http://www.data360.org/dsg.aspx?Data_Set_Group_Id=757 Don't you agree there is _a lot_ room to improve? E.g. we can build houses that are not "hot in summer and cold in winter". It even feels better to live in them. Changing the mindset that "less is poor and more is good" is a way.

Please tell us how we can change the minds of right-wing Tea Party members, and the devout believers that "God wants us to multiply and will make it all OK for us if we do"?

That is what the taxation of resources is about, because the only way to educate some is making them look in their wallet. As an example, the overall costs of the Morwell fire should have been paid by the mining company and so increased the price of Victorian power generated by brown coal. The electricity bill would have made some people think about our "cheap" coal and the "expensive" renewable energy. Regards Peter