Re: [luv-talk] Fake Wikipedia entry on Bicholim Conflict
Andrew, You said you didn't want to debate global warming, but you then immediately described it as a "myth", thereby provoking the very debate you claimed not to want.
I don't have time, nor the inclination to argue the truth of(sic) otherwise of the global warming / climate change myths.
Since then you have raised no valid arguments, and indeed the arguments you did raise would embarrass even thoroughly discredited "sceptics" like Ian Plimer. Evidently you have not invested any effort at all into understanding the issues and the science. With the point about the distance to the Sun you have now ventured irretrievably into self-satire. Perhaps you are trolling, but trolls are supposed to be funny, and you fail even there. Tim Josling
From: Andrew McGlashan Subject: Re: [luv-talk] Fake Wikipedia entry on Bicholim Conflict finally deleted after five years To: luv-talk@lists.luv.asn.au Message-ID: <50F0FCA4.9010606@affinityvision.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On 12/01/2013 4:29 PM, Craig Sanders wrote:
the following relevant excerpt from the Bad Astronomy blog may help you understand:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/01/02/perihelion_earth_is_clos... I've read that post before, and many similar, nothing changes for me. Did you read that I didn't want to debate this matter? I do not take as gospel truth the information provided by such (web)sites; particularly such sites that so strongly advocate a cause or belief which I personally and strongly believe to be false. Time, in the end, will tell, not any site like you've just presented (yet again). Kind Regards AndrewM
Tim, On 13/01/2013 5:47 PM, Tim Josling wrote:
I don't have time, nor the inclination to argue the truth of(sic) otherwise of the global warming / climate change myths.
To me it is a myth, to others it is not. So be it. Lighten up. Cheers A.
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
On 13/01/2013 5:47 PM, Tim Josling wrote:
I don't have time, nor the inclination to argue the truth of(sic) otherwise of the global warming / climate change myths.
To me it is a myth, to others it is not. So be it. Lighten up.
Well, "so be it". Imagine a flight as I had two days ago, going through heavy weather, with lightning to see through the windows. The captain decided to return to the origin because it was unsafe to continue. There were plenty of people who missed a connecting flight (including me). Well, imagine the majority decides and tells the captain to continue flying. Would it be a good decision? Now, add someone in the mix who will lose a lot of money if we do not continue. And he has access to the board entertainment system so he tells everyone "it's not that bad". So the people on board stand up and decide to continue the flight. Is it a good decision? That's were we at. I know a scientiest who works on climate modelling for CSIRO in Aspendale. They test their models on the past first, to find out whether the modelling explains data available from the last hundred + years. They are pretty close, and the predictions for the future is grim. I was on holidays so I did not read the whole thread. Sorry if it is doubling up. I read The Australian two days ago, got a for free on the plane, and it was full of letters written by people that don't think climate change is an issue. Thanks to have Murdoch and Co. who give room for that and explain the world to the Australians. And no, Australia with mining as one of the biggest industries has no need to worry about losing money if we take climate change seriously. That explains why we have protests against wind energy, and it seems to be bad for the health for people nearby. Hazelwood is much healthier for us. I guess the Danish and Germans don't get any sleep anymore because of all the wind mills I saw last year visiting Europe. Oh lucky country;-) Peter
On 15/01/2013 9:48 AM, Peter Ross wrote:
I guess the Danish and Germans don't get any sleep anymore because of all the wind mills I saw last year visiting Europe.
As a renewable energy source, I understand that wind mills are not the answer; the cost of maintaining them has lead to a great number being abandoned [1] -- and yes, this is just a quick google, I'm not going to verify it's correctness or otherwise, please don't ask me to. I wish that Solar was more affordable or a better alternative was put in place much quicker. This is one option [2], which eBay and Google have been involved with. Apparently we has a "similar" device in Victoria [3], but it was too expensive to manufacture here or for other reasons, the Victorian company went to Germany. Last time I made enquiries about their BlueGen system, it was simply too expensive, perhaps it is better now. [1] http://www.naturalnews.com/034234_wind_turbines_abandoned.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server [3] http://www.cfcl.com.au/ Kind Regards AndrewM
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
As a renewable energy source, I understand that wind mills are not the answer; the cost of maintaining them has lead to a great number being abandoned [1] -- and yes, this is just a quick google, I'm not going to verify it's correctness or otherwise, please don't ask me to.
[1] http://www.naturalnews.com/034234_wind_turbines_abandoned.html
"Who in their right mind would want any of the new generation of turbines — under EU plans, the turbines will be nearly 1,000ft tall (that’s six times the height of Nelson’s Column) — rusting away in their backyard?" Have you ever have seen 30 years old cars rusting away in someone's backyard? Just wonder why we still build, sell and buy cars. http://ramblingsdc.net/Australia/WindProblems.html "In Esperance, WA for example, small, old, out-dated turbines have been replaced with bigger, newer ones; the capacity of the new wind farms (5600 kW) is much greater than the old one (360 kW). It's called progress!" Regards Peter
Peter Ross wrote:
Just wonder why we still build, sell and buy cars.
Because zoning laws ensure places you want to go aren't within walking distance, because our cities were built when cars were The Future! and aren't geared for anything else, because the idiotic Australian Dream of owning a quarter acre inhibits denser housing, &c &c (No citations because the above is empty rhetoric; any factual accuracy is a pure fluke.) Random quote I came across recently: The Victorian Government has been continuously blocked from increasing density in existing suburban areas, such as the, City of Boroondara by "residents' groups" who continuously object to new medium-density developments, greatly hindering the progress of the blueprint.^[12] -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_2030 -- twb, who doesn't and has never owned an automobile
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
On 15/01/2013 9:48 AM, Peter Ross wrote:
I guess the Danish and Germans don't get any sleep anymore because of all the wind mills I saw last year visiting Europe.
As a renewable energy source, I understand that wind mills are not the answer; the cost of maintaining them has lead to a great number being abandoned [1] -- and yes, this is just a quick google, I'm not going to verify it's correctness or otherwise, please don't ask me to.
http://www.naturalnews.com/038675_coalition_mercury-free_drugs_vaccines.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield The same site is still pushing the mercury-autism link long after Dr Wakefield was discredited. It's one of those sites where you should by default consider everything it contains to be at best a conspiracy theory and at worst outright fraud. http://naturalnews.com/038615_Obama_Hitler_Stalin.html They also claim that Hitler wanted gun control in a similar way to Obama. In fact strict gun controls in Germany predated Hitler (I'm sure Peter Ross can tell us more about it). The author of that article was too stupid to realise the irony in accusing Obama of "exploiting fear" when they are doing exactly that to oppose gun control. Find a reputable site if you want anyone to believe you. Please stop posting if you can't do the most basic checks on whether the data is accurate.
I wish that Solar was more affordable or a better alternative was put in place much quicker.
The biggest advantage of Solar in terms of prices for the consumers is the affect on the wholesale auction price. Solar power increases the supply at peak times and reduces the peak auction rate. That reduces the overall prices as has happened in SA.
This is one option [2], which eBay and Google have been involved with. Apparently we has a "similar" device in Victoria [3], but it was too expensive to manufacture here or for other reasons, the Victorian company went to Germany. Last time I made enquiries about their BlueGen system, it was simply too expensive, perhaps it is better now.
[1] http://www.naturalnews.com/034234_wind_turbines_abandoned.html
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server
Kind Regards AndrewM _______________________________________________ luv-talk mailing list luv-talk@lists.luv.asn.au http://lists.luv.asn.au/listinfo/luv-talk
-- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
participants (5)
-
Andrew McGlashan -
Peter Ross -
Russell Coker -
Tim Josling -
Trent W. Buck