https://medium.com/@jonnaivin/what-working-class-and-poor-white-people-need-... https://medium.com/@jonnaivin/i-know-why-poor-whites-chant-trump-trump-trump... These articles are relevant to some of the people who were at the LUV BBQ. Your problems in rural areas are not related to Muslims and Pauline Hanson is not the solution. The biggest problems are due to Coalition policies (and admittedly Labor policies aren't much better) and the solution is to vote for people who have better economic policies and encourage your politicians to do better about the economic issues. AFAIK the "essential services act" has not been changed since it was used against Victorian farmers in the 90s (so the Coalition didn't do anything about it when they were in power). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joNzRzZhR2Y The intro to Rain on the Scarecrow is still relevant. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
https://medium.com/@jonnaivin/what-working-class-and-poor-white-people-need-...
Can I suggest that what Jonna Ivin-Patton needs to understand is that; the cultural-working class regardless of their income level ; are the vast irrational, xenophobic, economically myopic, preservers-of-the-status-quo and silent conservative majority; who voted in Adolf Hitler, John Howard, Scot Morrison and Donald Trump..... Here' rational' is used as : ' action or belief consistent with knowledge" and because she 'rationally' can see that this demographic is not acting in it's own economic self-interest; she believes things can change by just bringing this, to their attention. This is not he case; they are not rational......welcome to the real world. :-) regards Rohan McLeod
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 7:07:11 PM AEDT Rohan McLeod via luv-talk wrote:
Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
https://medium.com/@jonnaivin/what-working-class-and-poor-white-people-nee d-to-understand-about-rich-white-people-44157a370c8f Can I suggest that what Jonna Ivin-Patton needs to understand is that; the cultural-working class regardless of their income level ; are the vast irrational, xenophobic, economically myopic, preservers-of-the-status-quo and silent conservative majority; who voted in Adolf Hitler, John Howard, Scot Morrison and Donald Trump.....
The working classes have less access to education and information.
Here' rational' is used as : ' action or belief consistent with knowledge" and because she 'rationally' can see that this demographic is not acting in it's own economic self-interest; she believes things can change by just bringing this, to their attention. This is not he case; they are not rational......welcome to the real world. :-)
People who are members of LUV have enough access to education and information to become better informed than typical Pauline Hanson votes and they should do so. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Hi, On 28/1/20 5:50 pm, Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
These articles are relevant to some of the people who were at the LUV BBQ. Your problems in rural areas are not related to Muslims and Pauline Hanson is not the solution. The biggest problems are due to Coalition policies (and admittedly Labor policies aren't much better) and the solution is to vote for people who have better economic policies and encourage your politicians to do better about the economic issues.
Somebody said it much better than I could ever do so. LNP won because people have no faith in either major party and the more money in their own hands means that the people can make more of their own choices. The 2013 election was close, but Rabbit won despite how well Shorten performed. The 2016 election was bought by TurnCOST, but only just. The 2019 election was bought by MoneyBagsNZClive ... how do you compete with that business decision -- it cost him heaps for the campaign, but it delivered much more than it cost.... TO HIMSELF and he is also setup in NZ so that he can sue the AU government if it takes steps or makes decisions to to lessen his own wealth, then we'll pay. Politics here and around the world is totally screwed; it is never for the people, it is now for the super rich and politicians are their pawns. PleaseExplain is a total joke and the Muslim religion is one of extreme goodness -- it is the radical ones of ALL religions that give every otherwise good group a bad name that they don't deserve. In general, most people are good people; it doesn't help that so many are poor and oppressed, amongst other problems of the modern day (including, but not limited to mental health and drug issues). Heck, it disappoints me greatly when people talk down about other people because they may or may not have a "special" condition. Autism and Asperger's syndrome are great gifts, according to Russell, he thinks "I am on the spectrum", but I don't believe that; if I was I would be sure it would be something to be proud of and not ashamed of anyway. What is the answer to AU politics, if not the world? I don't know right now, as I am totally disgusted with ScumMo and his marketing team of useless members. I know I am not them, but they, along with PleaseExplain and MoneyBags, as well as TurnCOST and Rabbit were all a total embarrassment to me as an Australian. Cheers A.
Oh and it can get even worse, we could end up with TheDud as PM if we are even more unlucky as a nation. :(
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 9:19:13 PM AEDT Andrew McGlashan via luv-talk wrote:
On 28/1/20 5:50 pm, Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
These articles are relevant to some of the people who were at the LUV BBQ. Your problems in rural areas are not related to Muslims and Pauline Hanson is not the solution. The biggest problems are due to Coalition policies (and admittedly Labor policies aren't much better) and the solution is to vote for people who have better economic policies and encourage your politicians to do better about the economic issues.
Somebody said it much better than I could ever do so.
LNP won because people have no faith in either major party and the more money in their own hands means that the people can make more of their own choices.
For the vast majority of the population voting for the LNP gives them less money. People have to vote against their own best interests, as described in the articles I cited.
Politics here and around the world is totally screwed; it is never for the people, it is now for the super rich and politicians are their pawns.
Unless people vote for their own best interests and the best interests of the country in general.
PleaseExplain is a total joke and the Muslim religion is one of extreme goodness -- it is the radical ones of ALL religions that give every otherwise good group a bad name that they don't deserve. In general, most people are good people; it doesn't help that so many are poor and oppressed, amongst other problems of the modern day (including, but not limited to mental health and drug issues).
Please name the actual politicians. For any religion you can find good and bad people. Yes we should do something about the health and drug problems in society to reduce crime. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Hi Russell, Did you mean to reply off list? On 28/1/20 9:55 pm, Russell Coker wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 9:19:13 PM AEDT Andrew McGlashan via luv-talk wrote:
On 28/1/20 5:50 pm, Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
These articles are relevant to some of the people who were at the LUV BBQ. Your problems in rural areas are not related to Muslims and Pauline Hanson is not the solution. The biggest problems are due to Coalition policies (and admittedly Labor policies aren't much better) and the solution is to vote for people who have better economic policies and encourage your politicians to do better about the economic issues.
Somebody said it much better than I could ever do so.
LNP won because people have no faith in either major party and the more money in their own hands means that the people can make more of their own choices.
For the vast majority of the population voting for the LNP gives them less money. People have to vote against their own best interests, as described in the articles I cited.
Yes, but the "marketing angle" and the mass media angles too, represent that voting anything other than LNP will mean higher taxes -- if the taxes are lower, then the perception is that you will have more money in YOUR pocket. It won't matter if everything goes up in price to become unaffordable, you will "think" you are better off. It won't matter that health and education will cost you more, because you can self educate and self insure medically. I'm sure you can work out the names, you are quite smart aren't you? Rabbit -- Tony Abbot TurnCOST -- Malcolm Turnbull (ghost of PMs past that won't go away! MoneyBagsNZClive -- Clive Palma PleaseExplain -- Pauline Hanson. TheDud -- Peter Dutton. ScumMo -- Scott Morrision. Aren't those all self evident? Did I miss any? Cheers A
On 28/1/20 10:02 pm, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
Hi Russell,
Did you mean to reply off list?
On 28/1/20 9:55 pm, Russell Coker wrote:
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020 9:19:13 PM AEDT Andrew McGlashan via luv-talk wrote:
On 28/1/20 5:50 pm, Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
These articles are relevant to some of the people who were at the LUV BBQ. Your problems in rural areas are not related to Muslims and Pauline Hanson is not the solution. The biggest problems are due to Coalition policies (and admittedly Labor policies aren't much better) and the solution is to vote for people who have better economic policies and encourage your politicians to do better about the economic issues.
Somebody said it much better than I could ever do so.
LNP won because people have no faith in either major party and the more money in their own hands means that the people can make more of their own choices.
For the vast majority of the population voting for the LNP gives them less money. People have to vote against their own best interests, as described in the articles I cited.
Yes, but the "marketing angle" and the mass media angles too, represent that voting anything other than LNP will mean higher taxes -- if the taxes are lower, then the perception is that you will have more money in YOUR pocket.
It won't matter if everything goes up in price to become unaffordable, you will "think" you are better off. It won't matter that health and education will cost you more, because you can self educate and self insure medically.
I'm sure you can work out the names, you are quite smart aren't you?
Rabbit -- Tony Abbot TurnCOST -- Malcolm Turnbull (ghost of PMs past that won't go away! MoneyBagsNZClive -- Clive Palma
Palmer..... Do you want to buy a farm? LOL A.
Andrew McGlashan via luv-talk wrote:
On 28/1/20 5:50 pm, Russell Coker via luv-talk wrote:
These articles are relevant to some of the people who were at the LUV BBQ. Your problems in rural areas are not related to Muslims and Pauline Hanson is not the solution. The biggest problems are due to Coalition policies (and admittedly Labor policies aren't much better) and the solution is to vote for people who have better economic policies and encourage your politicians to do better about the economic issues.
Somebody said it much better than I could ever do so.
LNP won because people have no faith in either major party and the more money in their own hands means that the people can make more of their own choices.
Relevant: http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/02/political-failure-modes-... http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2010/12/invaders-from-mars.html
PleaseExplain is a total joke and the Muslim religion is one of extreme goodness -- it is the radical ones of ALL religions that give every otherwise good group a bad name that they don't deserve.
See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull
The 2013 election was close, but Rabbit won [...] The 2016 election was bought by TurnCOST, but only just. The 2019 election was bought by MoneyBagsNZClive [....]
Please use actual names, rather than rhyming slurs. Otherwise I struggle to understand who you're talking about. Also, it encourages criticism based on appearance rather than policy.
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