Quoting Russell Coker (russell@coker.com.au):
On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 14:33:32 Rick Moen wrote:
Russell, I think you're a little quick to jump on Tim's back, and I say this as a man who's been a card-carrying feminist since the mid-Pleistocene (the 1970s, when I was a teenager).
Just have a look at the return of kings site.
I did. It's comically unhinged. It is also not Tim Josling. Tim may have merely stumbled across it in random link following, found the story about the Dutch reality-TV show amusing, and decided to post it to luv-talk saying 'Hey, let's hope that discouraging patriarchial cultural tendencies doesn't bring _this_ sort of thing about.' Now, I don't know Tim Josling at all. But I think the namecalling was a bit excessive.
There are indeed many groups of women - as described in the 'Dr_Caveman' piece Tim linked to, who make a really unbelievable fetish out of 'consensus', which term is used to mean everyone talking until there is absolute universal agreement or else participants fall over and die from excessive talking.
There are also plenty of men who have similar ideas.
Oh yes, quite. It's allegedly descended from a Society of Friends (Quaker) way of holding meetings, in fact. However, that doesn't change my having seem it - and, in particular, the trait of talking absolutely endlessly and taking no action until absolutely everyone is in 'consensus' - most often among some (certainly not all) groups of women.
There are few fluke outcomes in reality TV.
Indeed. That was also a thought I had while reading the story, that some TV producer probably wanted the storyline to evolve that way. However, it was an amusing anecdote. And you might have appreicated it as such. Anyone who accepts anecdotes off random Web sites (let alone so-called reality TV) as reliable guides to the world has much bigger problems.
I think that the "male feminist" thing is bogus. I think that only people who have experienced living as female (including transgender people) should call themselves feminists.
Well, I will politely, but firmly, decline to give a rat's ass about your disapproval of my having been a feminist since circa 1970. When my mother was widowed on December 26, 1968, and I saw very close-up what she was put through, e.g., in dealings with insurance people, in merely attempting to get the family car repaired without getting ripped off merely because she was female, and then later saw that women were routinely getting $0.60 for every dollar that a male employee was getting for the same work, you bet I decided that I'm absolutely, definitely, and permanently a feminist. As Sarah Bunting said: If you believe in, support, look fondly on, hope for, and/or work towards equality of the sexes, you are a feminist. Yes, you are. http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/yes-you-are/ (My own thankful comment to Ms. Bunting - and amusing anecdote about local politics - can be seen in the comments section below her essay.)
Rick, you think you are on the size of women but there is no evidence for this.
News flash: I'm not here to impress you (and I'm going to pass up the opportunity to mock your typo).