On Wed, February 12, 2014 10:01 am, Tim Josling wrote:
From: "Lev Lafayette"
Could you provide, for reference, which definition you are using then?
See under Definition from"United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees". Note the requirement to be outside your country.
So you are using the UNHCR definition. Which was the figure I cited, rather than the suggestion that it was double that amount.
There is also the issue of latent refugee supply.
Or it is any number you choose?
As an IT guy, if you have done any capacity planning you should be well aware of the concept of latent demand. And that it is hard to estimate.
I am well aware of it, and in this context a "latent refugee" is anybody on the planet.
"In 2012-13, NOM increased from the previous year reaching an annual estimate of 244,400 persons"
The gross arrivals were 508,662 and departures were 264,291.
So your figure of 300,000 immigrants was somewhat inflated.
People arrive with various temporary visas and become permanents thus your figure is misleading.
From your very own ABS citation, of the gross arrivals included 217 055 people on temporary visas. This includes 50 576 on working holidays (Anglo-Irish backpackers would certainly make up a few), over 50 000 students, almost 60 000 Kiwis, over 40 000 on temporary work visas, and over 40 000 tourists.
How many of those do you suppose become permanent migrants?
In any case, you are avoiding the point which is that in reality large numbers of people want to come and live in Australia, far more than we can realistically accept. And the ludicrousness of the proposition that no-one would leave their country of origin except in cases of dire need,
Actually if you care to check the Senator's comments I think you will discover that they were referring to people who come over via boat as an unauthorised arrival. It does take a certain desperation to even contemplate such as journey.
And again note the intense focus on proving what an evil person I am, as a means for distracting everyone from the basic issue that moral posturing is no substitute for an actual policy proposal.
There's plenty of policy proposals out there if one does a little bit of honest research. -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GradCertTerAdEd (Murdoch), GradCertPM, MBA (Tech Mngmnt) (Chifley) mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt