On Fri, November 7, 2014 9:06 pm, Michael Scott wrote:
If you are a biblical Christian, it is quite clear what Christians believe about same sex relationships and about marriage.
Like I said, you are thoroughly entitled to your religious beliefs. Just don't impose them on other people. Don't believe in same-sex marriage? Fine, don't have one.
There are Baptists and there are "Baptists".
Secular Baptism is very much a result of the persecution that Baptists suffered under the Christian governments not of their denomination.
To tell me that "as a Christian" is not a legitimate claim is to misunderstand what a Christian is. What is a "secular Christian"? A Christian is one who believes and trusts in Jesus Christ. A "secular Christian" just doesn't make sense.
Of course it does, and that is why the overwhelming majority of Christians are secularists as well. A secular position is not an anti-religious one. It stands for the freedom of religion and the freedom from religion. It's about civil administrations taking a position of religious agnosticism; providing neither opposition nor benefit to religious institutions and treating them the same as any other group. It simple means that recognition that secular governance on Earth is based on evidence available to all, and is thus different to the eternal governance of the heavens.
Do we have to get into this argument again, just because Russell chooses to bring it up again?
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